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Mr 7. H. Browne declared himself in an enemy, he did not therefore become favour of the application ; but said, that, a friend. He was taken on neutral refting on the concluding afiurances of ground, but this neutrality was only a the Minifter, he should vote against the protection to relidents; it had no refermotion.

ence to hostile operations, nor could it Mr Pitt desired to be understood, as cover a General of the enemy, who, bemeaning only to fay, that, having no par- ing driven from his army, was flying to ticipation in the business, and being some place unknown, and from motives without a right to interfere; what he had not understood. These were complicatundertaken was fimply that the affair ed questions, but they were such as he jould be so understood by the Austrian should be ready to debate whenever it Cabinet.

should be deemed necessary. He then Mr Grey considered this assurance as adverted to the events of the celebrated insufficient. Since Ministers thus held sth and 6th of October, the whole of back, he conlidered it both as the right the outrages and violences of which day, and duty of that House to interfere, he attributed to the conduct of M. La

Mr Sheriilan said, he was forry that Fayette. He would not say that the with an Hon. Friend (Mr Windhari) had not of this man was to destroy the King, been allowed to speak when he offered and establish a Republic in its stead; but himself, as there was about him a manly he had no difficulty in deciding, that he and generous indiscretion which tore the was one of the chief infiruments in renveil off every myitery. He had been kept dering him a dependent and inefficient back by the Minister, who trusted rather Monarch, from which proceeded all the to his own quibble than to the argument calamities that had befallen France. of his Honourable Friend. The hands Having, in the first instance, betrayed of the Emperor, and the tongue of the and ruined his King, and in the next Secretary at War, were, in his opinion, place, committed treafon against what bound by the same spell. The latter he termed his lawful and only Soverwas the deaf adder, who had unfør. eign, the People, he has rendered himtunately listened to the charm. He hop. self an object of the vengeance of both ed, however, that the influence of the parties, and this gave an opportunity Minister, which enjoined filence to all to his friends to exclaim against the his friends, arose from some special royalifts or republicans, just as it might necesity, and would not hereafter be answer their purpose. He, for his own drawn into precedent."

part, could never consent to become the Mr Windbań said, that though he was advocate of a man who had contributed called upon to unveil a mystery, the le. fo effectually to the overthrow of the cret had been disclosed by the person who laws and constitution of his country, and so called upon him. Fayette was held who, if he now endured sufferings himup as the hero of liberty; and this was felf, had been the author of the most in. the real grounds of all the féigned ap finite calamities to the human race. peals to their humanity which the House What his real motives were, he knew had this night heard. But what was the ňot; but certain it was, that his conduct ground or claim which rested on his in- had produced mischiefs immense, and e. dividual character? He had visited Eng. vils so atrocious, that he could not be land in the course of the Am rican war. - led to consider him as a fit object of huHe went fresh from our hospitable shores manity. As well might gentlemen atto wield the sword againft us. But on tempt to appeal to the feelings of Parthis ground he would not rest'; he 'should liament in behalf of the famous Collot confider him as a total stranger. In the d'Herbois, who had caused his fellow. course of the French Revolution, he was creatures to be massacred by thousands one of those who had alternately risen at Lyons. Mr Wirdham dwelt for some and fallen, and who were unconscious time on this topic, and enumerated the of the ruin which they provoked, until various cruelties exercifed by Collot d' it fell upon their heads. He was 'far Herbois during his mission to that city. from blaming the early friendship which He could not separate the case of M. La had diétated and repeated this motion. Fayette from that of the thousands of He could not but think, "however, that human beings who had suffered in conLa Fayette was a fair prisoner. He had sequence of his conduct, the more espemused hoftilities; but, by being no longer cially as he knew, from authority which


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he could not doubt, that his behaviour' calamities to his country, and he thought
even to the late unfortunate King and it but just that he should be made an
Queen, had been of the most harsh, fa- example of to the world, that all men
vage, and unmanly nature. Her Majef who commenced revolutions should rea
ty, be had been informed by ladies whọ ceive the punishment due to their crimes.
had every opportunity of being well in. Fayette was now only called to taste the
formed upon the subject, in her dying cup of misery which he had prepared for
moments declared that she forgave eve- others; and the exercise of his humanie
ry one living, except one man, and that ty towards him was, in the present in-
man was M. La Fayette ; had it been in stance, checked by the confideration of
her power to have saved from death M. the ills which he had occasioned to man-
Barnave, she would most gladly have kind. The subject, indeed, should not
done so; but La Fayette she could not be considered as a question of humanity,
forgive. He was at a loss, therefore, to but of policy and expediency; and he
conceive why gentlemen should attend saw no precedent or example to justify
only to the sufferings of such a man, our interference, particularly in behalf of
when the recital of horrors occafioned a man whose merit; if he possessed any,
by him, every day filled their ears ? and was that of having pulled down and de-
why they should, on all occafions, make ftroyed the fabric of the established con.
this detestable war, as they were pleafed ftitution of his country. To interest
to term it, the constant burden of their ourselves, in the smallest degree, in fa-
song, without ever recurring to the ori- vour of such a man, would be to hold
gin and causes of it? Let them look to out an encouragement, and to offer pre-
the fituation of the 20,000 priests who miums to the promoters and encoura-
lingered out a miserable existence in this gérs of all revolutions.
country, and to the case of the thousands Mr Secretary Dundas complimented
who had suffered at home, in conse. General Fitzpatrick for his eloquence ;
quence of the conduct -pursued by M. but was against both the original motion
La Fayette, and then judge whether he and the amendment, as matters of which
was a real object of the attention of that this country could not take cognizance.
House. Even innocent females were He called it a ftraggling piece of huma-
not exempt from the lash of the tyranný nity,
introduced and established by him; the Mr Jekyl said a few words in favour
convents and other dwellings of that sex, of the motion, and then the House die
which claimed our protection, were vio- vided, For the amendment 50
lated and destroyed, for there was not a

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-82. independentof these considerations, there The original motion was then put and was a decorum due to other nations, negatived, and at half past twelve, the which he was astonished to find any House adjourned. gentleman with that House to break 18. This being the day appointed for through. He knew of no proceeding taking his Majesty's message into confimore reprehenfible than an attempt to deration, which was read by the clerk, acquire the character of humanity at the (but which we need not infert, as it was expence of the feelings of others ; and in fubftance the same with that sent to he hoped that the House of Commons the House of Peers, as on p. 930.). would never consent to have it told to The Chancellor of the Exchequer rose, the ally of Great Britain, that its con- and said, that notwithstanding the great duct was inhuman and impolitic, and importance to this country, and to all Mould no longer be perfifted in. For Europe, of the meafure he was now, in his part, he thought it would be highly pursuance of his notice of Saturday, to impolitic in the Emperor to releafe M. offer to the confideration of the House, La Fayette at the present time, for it whether with a view to the effectual prowas more than probable that, if set at fecution of the war, if the steps taken liberty, he would not be satisfied to re- for the attainment of a just, secure, and main quiet, but would be the promoter honourable peace, should be found una. of fresh revolutions and convulsions. He vailable, or with a view to the attain. was decidedly averse to any humanity ment, upon better grounds, of that being extended to him, because he con- peace, for which all were so anxious, he fidered him as the cause of incalculable had the satisfaction to think, that the

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grounds on which the measure was ces which he had made to the Emperor founded, were of so very plain, simple, had not been furnished to him, the adand short a nature, as to render it unne- vantages already gained in the campaign cessary for him to trouble the House would have been lost; and said, he was with many words upon it; and to af- sure they would agree with him, that in ford him the most fanguine expectation, the view of keeping up the best concert that there would be no difference of o- with our allies, they ought not to dispinion upon the subject. He reminded continue that which could not be withthe House, that, at the time of his lay- held without inconvenience. He had the ing before them his estimate of the ex- fatisfaction to think, that when those ad. pences of the ensuing year, in opening vances were made last year, they were the budget, he had tated, in the courle made under great difficulties, yet proof his general view of the probable a- duced the inost salutary effets. Those mount of the supply, in the event of the difficulties were, in a great degree, renecefsity of carrying on the war, a fum moved. Fraught with such advantages of three millions, by way of loan to his as had attended the mode in which miImperial Majesty, in which the advances nisters had made the advances, it would that had been already made to that mo- be an additional inducement to the narch were to be included. The House House to enable them again to make furwould obtervé, that his Majesty, in his thér advances to a limited amount, and message, had not thought necessary to at such stated periods, as they should call for affiftance for the Emperor to the think the service of our ally might refull extent of that fum immediately, but quire. But while, he said, that the dif. had confined himself to saying, that he ficulties which lay in the way of a lcan was engaged in concerting measures were much less than they had been bewith his allies for putting themselves in fore, he acknowledged that it would be a ftate to prosecute the war with vigour, too sanguine for any one to fay that they and effect, if the continuance of the war were wholly removed. It would, there. fhould be inevitable; and would hold fore, become the House, in sanctioning back the full demand till the discussion a remittance to the Emperor, to adopt of that subject with his allies, and a far- that mode which, in more difficult times, ther view of the probable turn of nego- had been found practicable; and, while tiation would render it necessary, which they granted a sum in the grofs, to leave should be laid before the House as soon it to the Executive Government to as poffible. But, in the mean time, he choose the time, as well as the quantum would suggest to the House, that for the of parcelling it into distribution. Havpurpose of maintaining that perfect con- ing laid this short statement before the cert in the war, necessary to the attain. House, he would not detain them any ment of such a peace as we ought to longer than to submit a motion to them make, the fituation of the Emperor to thank his Majesty for his message, and would call for farther advances of a tem- to give him an assurance of the readiness porary kind; while the granting an e- of the House to concur in his desire. He ventual loan, to the extent mentioned, would afterwards, on a future day, move would afford a proof, and an honour to refer the message to a committee of able proof, of our readiness to support supply, in order to have voted a fum our ally, and of our zeal and carneftness, not exceeding 500,cool. to his Majesty; which would, on the one hand, enable to enable him to make his Imperial Maus to negotiate with greater effect and jefty such advances as might be thought advantage, or, on the other, give us the necessary. The Chancellor of the ĚXprospect of prosecuting the war with less chequer then moved an address to his difficulty and danger, if we were ulti- Majesty. toately driven to that alternative. In any. Sir W. Pulteney said, he heartily consupposeable situation, the granting of the curred in the Address of Thanks, and in loan was a'mcasure which could not fail the measure of a Loan to the Emperor to be su congenial to the disposition of to the amount proposed, or more; but the House, and to the strong sentiments he differed ellentially from the Right it had already expressed, that he would Hon. Gentleman in the mode in which thipk it wrong to argue upon it, or to it was to be given : this, he faid, was in. fuppose that it would be disputed. He tended to white-wash the Minister's colIciniuded the House, that, if the advare duct besore in that respect, which he


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conceived to have received severe cen- of it, conceived that such a measure was
fure from the House, fince several of his not, at the time at which it was proposo
own friends had voted for it, a circum- cd, well suited to the pecuniary circum-
ftance which would mark the transac- ftances of the country.
tion' with censure not only now, but a Mr Fox thought it was a matter of
hundred years hence. Thus circum- considerable difficulty, when Ministers
stanced, the Right Hon. Gentleman had had sent eight hundred thousand pounds
brought down this Message to the House, to the Emperor during the sitting of Par-
to continue the practice, and had put liament, and without its content, how
into it words more trongly in his favour to word an Address which should en-
than the decision of the House the other able his Majesty to lay out five hundred
night. He censured very highly the con. thousand pounds more for the same
duct of the Bank, in presuming to pre- purpose. He would suppose that an
fcribe to the Ministers, as they had done, Address, should be presented, authoris-
when they said a Loan could not be ing the expenditure of tive hundred
made to the Emperor ; and said, that thousand pounds, or, of three millions,
Ministers were very culpable in making for be thought the fun indifferent.
the opinion of any body of men, how- The House was not only ignorant of the
ever respectable, the rule for the con- manner in which it was to go, but it was
duct of Parliament. He was convinced, very likely that, at the moment in wbich
that the Loan might with safety have this Message was fent down, the money
been made, and that those advantages might have been issued. It was not un-
were very censurable--all upon no bet. common with Ministers to aík power to
ter authority than the Bank of England, do that which they had done previously
which, he could not admit to be authori- to the application. But whether this
ty for King, Lords, and Commons- was or was not the case, he should ob-
Óf the Bank, he found that they had ject to the Motion, for he thought it
altered their mode entirely, for he served the purpose of continuing to de-
knew a man who was in the custom of lude the public with an idea, that the
discounting 150,000l. and now could House attended to the expenditure of
not get 10,000l. discounted. Would the public money, and the mode of its ap-
Houle submit to private whispers, com- propriation. Mr Fox thought that a
ing from a corner, being made the rule Subfidy was petter
of their conduct? With regard to the precarious security. In the case of a
Emperor, he thought, we should take Loan, the House gave a power to Mi-
care what ideas he might have of Peace. nifters; but in that of a Subsidy, the

- The House should call to mind, that House itself would see immediately what the doubt whether we were steady in our was to be paid. In a Loan, Ministers views to War induced him to make the would be empowered to judge of the feparate Peace at Utrecht, and our par- fecurity on which the money fimonious mode of furnishing his Impe- advanced ; and he thought if there rial Majeity now might pollibly drive was any question which tould not be him to the faine expedient. The Hon., trused to them, it was that.

lle conourable conduct of the Emperor called cluded by observing, that the measure for the gratitude of this country, and had for its object the delusion, that what he thought we should evince it, by giv- had been done should not be again

done. ing even more than he asked. Was this Mr Grey agreed with his Hon. Friend then a time to send such paltry fums to in thinking that a Subsidy was to be preour Ally !--He was shocked to think of ferred to a Loan, not only with a vieir it-500,000l. was, in his opinion, very to the security which it held out to the inadequate : he therefore moved to leave public, but also with a view to the subs out of the Address all the words after scribers. The Hon. Gentleman had in 66 take into consideration."

his Budget spoken of good faith, as a Mr Robert Thornton said, that, the quality neceifarily accompanying vaHon. Baronet had alluded to what had lour; he had, therefore, set down the fallen from him on a former night, with fum advanced by him to the Emperor, respect to the Bank. The Bank had as likely to be repaid in the course of oppofed the remittance of money from the prefent year, and as forming part of this Kingdom, because the twenty-four the resources for it. But how could Gentlemen, who were in the direction the House look with confideace for the


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repayment of that money which the not been complied with.

From the Chancellor of the Exchequer had ad- treaty, it appeared that those payments vanced, when the folemn and formal ought to have commenced, and have obligations, which the Emperor had con- been carried on, with the interest, from tracted at the time the former Loans the ift of May 1794. How far that had had been advanced him by the British been done was material to consider, beParliament, were unattended to, in com- fore we made a New Loan, both in reparison with which the former fum gard 10. the individual and the public, must appear of light importance ? He There was another point connected with had asked, as it was his duty to do, suf- this question, upon which he wished to pecting that the money raised by the ask the Hon. Gentleman a question. The Vote of Credit had been misapplied to money for the Prince of Conde had been past fervi :es, for an account. The Hon. for services in the year 1795. As the Gentleman then produced one, in which same Army had continued acting, he the payments were said to be made to wished to know whether the Hon. Genthe paymaster of the army; but it now tleman had made provision for the year appeared to the House that the four 1996 ? and whether the House was to teen millions had been paid for the ser- hear any thing of that matter? He convice of the army of the Prince of Conde. cluded, by moving as an Amendment, Thus the first account was contradicted, “ as soon as the Emperor had fulfilled and was to be considered as fraudulent; his present engagements, or shewn faand he called on the House to declare tisfactory reasons why he had failed.” whether they would not only suffer the Mr Pitt said, he should say nothing to public money to be expended without the Amendment, but merely answer the their concurrence, but would also sub- Hon. Gentleman's question. He believmit to be prefented with a fraudulent ed there was a further sum of 80 or account?

100,000l, advanced for the service of the Mr Sheridan rose for the purpose only Prince of Conde, which would be in. of asking two questions--one a question of cluded in the Army Extraordinaries, fact, and the other a question of opinion, when the whole came forward after the and to which he wished the Right Hon. recess. In fact, a large part of what had Gentleman to give an answer. The first been paid was for the service of the year was, whether the whole fum due for 1796. interest on the Imperial Loan had been 25. The Hon. 5. Elliot brought up the transmitted and paid ? Whether the report of the Committee appointed to try whole was not due except what had the merits of the petition, complaining been retained from the Loan? And thé of an undue election and return for the next was a matter of opinion-Whether Borough of Southwark*. The report did the Right Hon. Gentleman sup stated, “ That George Woodford Thel. pose, that, when the Loan was complet. luffon, Efq; was not duly elected, and ed, there was likely to be a greater de ought not to have been returned i that gree of punctuality observed, on the George Tierney, Esq; was duly elected, part of the Emperor, than what had hi- and ought to have been returned : that therto been?

the petition of Mr Tierney was not friThe Gallery was cleared, but no di- volous or vexatious; and that the opvifion, as we understand, took place. position of Mr Thellufson was not fri.

20 Mr Hobart brought up the report volous and vexatious.” The report was of the Committee of Supply.

received. • The question being put for agreeing Mr Elliot then moved, that the Clerk with the Committee in the report, of the Crown do attend at the bar to-more

Mr Grey faid, he should move an A- row, to amend the return, and that the mendment, in order that it might ap name of George Tierney, Efq; be fub pear upon the journals of the House. Nituted for George Woodford ThellulIt certainly could not be considered as fon, Esq. Agreed to. immaterial to know how the Emperor 23.Ina committee of supply Mr Pitt prohad fulfilled his last engagement, before * The merits of this contested eledion we entered into a new one with him. bad occupied the attention of the house for It now appears that the remittances for the greatest part of several days; the electhe discharge of the capital, to which tion is faid to have coft Mr Thellufon upthe Emperor was solemnly bound, had wards of 20,000l. Sterling.


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