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conceived to have received fevere cenfure from the Houfe, fince feveral of his own friends had voted for it, a circumftance which would mark the tranfaction with cenfure not only now, but a hundred years hence. Thus circumftanced, the Right Hon. Gentleman had brought down this Meffage to the Houfe, to continue the practice, and had put into it words more strongly in his favour than the decifion of the Houfe the other night. He cenfured very highly the conduct of the Bank, in prefuming to prefcribe to the Minifters, as they had done, when they said a Loan could not be made to the Emperor; and faid, that Ministers were very culpable in making the opinion of any body of men, however refpectable, the rule for the conduct of Parliament. He was convinced, that the Loan might with fafety have been made, and that thofe advantages were very cenfurable-all upon no better authority than the Bank of England, which, he could not admit to be authority for King, Lords, and Commons.→→ Of the Bank, he found that they had altered their mode entirely, for he knew a man who was in the custom of discounting 150,000l. and now could not get ro,oool. difcounted. Would the House fubmit to private whispers, coming from a corner, being made the rule of their conduct? With regard to the Emperor, he thought, we should take care what ideas he might have of Peace. -The House should call to mind, that the doubt whether we were steady in our views to War induced him to make the feparate Peace at Utrecht, and our parfimonious mode of furnishing his Imperial Majesty now might poflibly drive him to the fame expedient. The Hon-, ourable conduct of the Emperor called for the gratitude of this country, and he thought we fhould evince it, by giving even more than he asked. Was this then a time to fend fuch paltry fums to our Ally?—He was fhocked to think of it-500,000l. was, in his opinion, very inadequate he therefore moved to leave out of the Addrefs all the words after "take into confideration."
Mr Robert Thornton faid, that, the Hon. Baronet had alluded to what had fallen from him on a former night, with refpect to the Bank. The Bank had oppofed the remittance of money from this Kingdom, because the twenty-four Gentlemen, who were in the direction
of it, conceived that such a measure was not, at the time at which it was propofed, well fuited to the pecuniary circumftances of the country.
Mr Fox thought it was a matter of confiderable difficulty, when Ministers had fent eight hundred thousand pounds to the Emperor during the fitting of Parliament, and without its confent, how to word an Addrefs which should enable his Majefty to lay out five hundred thousand pounds more for the fame purpose. He would fuppofe that an Addrefs, fhould be prefented, authorifing the expenditure of five hundred thousand pounds, or, of three millions, for be thought the fum indifferent. The Houfe was not only ignorant of the manner in which it was to go, but it was very likely that, at the moment in which this Meffage was fent down, the money might have been iffued. It was not uncommon with Ministers to ask power to do that which they had done previously to the application. But whether this was or was not the cafe, he fhould object to the Motion, for he thought it ferved the purpose of continuing to delude the public with an idea, that the Houfe attended to the expenditure of public money, and the mode of its appropriation. Mr Fox thought that a Subfidy was better than a Loan upon precarious fecurity. In the cafe of a Loan, the House gave a power to Minifters; but in that of a Subfidy, the House itself would fee immediately what was to be paid. In a Loan, Ministers would be empowered to judge of the fecurity on which the money was advanced; and he thought if there was any queftion which should not be trufled to them, it was that. He con cluded by observing, that the measure had for its object the delufion, that what had been done should not be again done.
Mr Grey agreed with his Hon. Friend in thinking that a Subfidy was to be preferred to a Loan, not only with a view to the fecurity which it held out to the public, but also with a view to the subfcribers. The Hon. Gentleman had in his Budget fpoken of good faith, as a quality neceffarily accompanying valour; he had, therefore, fet down the fum advanced by him to the Emperor, as likely to be repaid in the course of the prefent year, and as forming part of the refources for it. But how could the Houfe look with confidence for the
repayment of that money which the not been complied with. Chancellor of the Exchequer had ad- treaty, it appeared that thofe payments vanced, when the folemn and formal ought to have commenced, and have obligations, which the Emperor had con- been carried on, with the intereft, from tracted at the time the former Loans the 1ft of May 1794. How far that had had been advanced him by the British been done was material to confider, beParliament, were unattended to, in com- fore we made a New Loan, both in reparifon with which the former fum gard to the individual and the public. muft appear of light importance? He There was another point connected with had afked, as it was his duty to do, fuf- this question, upon which he wished to pecting that the money raised by the afk the Hon. Gentleman a queftion. The Vote of Credit had been mifapplied to money for the Prince of Conde had been past services, for an account. The Hon. for fervices in the year 1795. As the Gentleman then produced one, in which fame Army had continued acting, he the payments were faid to be made to wished to know whether the Hon. Genthe paymafter of the army; but it now tleman had made provision for the year appeared to the Houfe that the four- 1796? and whether the House was to teen millions had been paid for the fer- hear any thing of that matter? He convice of the army of the Prince of Conde. cluded, by moving as an Amendment, Thus the firft account was contradicted, "as foon as the Emperor had fulfilled and was to be confidered as fraudulent; his prefent engagements, or fhewn faand he called on the Houfe to declare tisfactory reafons why he had failed." whether they would not only fuffer the public money to be expended without their concurrence, but would alfo fubmit to be prefented with a fraudulent account?
Mr Sheridan rose for the purpose only of asking two questions-one a queftion of fact, and the other a queftion of opinion, and to which he wished the Right Hon. Gentleman to give an answer. The first was, whether the whole fum due for intereft on the Imperial Loan had been tranfmitted and paid? Whether the whole was not due except what had been retained from the Loan? And the next was a matter of opinion-Whether did the Right Hon. Gentleman fuppofe, that, when the Loan was completed, there was likely to be a greater degree of punctuality obferved, on the part of the Emperor, than what had hitherto been?
The Gallery was cleared, but no divifion, as we understand, took place.
20 Mr Hobart brought up the report of the Committee of Supply.
The queftion being put for agreeing. with the Committee in the report,
Mr Grey faid, he fhould move an Amendment, in order that it might ap pear upon the journals of the Houfe. It certainly could not be confidered as immaterial to know how the Emperor had fulfilled his last engagement, before we entered into a new one with him. It now appears that the remittances for the discharge of the capital, to which the Emperor was folemnly bound, had
Mr Pitt faid, he should fay nothing to the Amendment, but merely answer the Hon. Gentleman's queftion. He believed there was a further fum of 80 or 100,000l. advanced for the fervice of the Prince of Conde, which would be included in the Army Extraordinaries, when the whole came forward after the recefs. In fact, a large part of what had been paid was for the fervice of the year 1796.
21. The Hon. J. Elliot brought up the report of the Committee appointed to try the merits of the petition, complaining of an undue election and return for the Borough of Southwark*. The report ftated, "That George Woodford Thelluffon, Efq; was not duly elected, and ought not to have been returned: that George Tierney, Efq; was duly elected, and ought to have been returned: that the petition of Mr Tierney was not frivolous or vexatious; and that the oppofition of Mr Thelluffon was not frivolous and vexatious." The report was received.
Mr Elliot then moved, that the Clerk of the Crown do attend at the bar to-mor⚫ row, to amend the return, and that the name of George Tierney, Efq; be fubftituted for George Woodford Thelluf fon, Efq. Agreed to.
23.Ina committee of fupply Mr Pitt pro
* The merits of this contefted election
had occupied the attention of the house for the greatest part of feveral days; the elec tion is faid to have coft Mr Thelluffon upwards of 20,000l. Sterling.
posed, that the fums of 600,000l. fhould
agreeable to the juft and humane laws of Parliament, in relieving those officers of the Company who had long laboured under age, ficknefs, and infirmity; that the expence of our conquests of Ceylon, Batavia, &c. had been defrayed by the Company; and that though from the vigilance of our navy none of the East India fhips had been captured, yet on account of the war, the expences of Mr Dundas, expreffing a hope that a freight had increased one million; but, we should never part with the Cape of notwithstanding these heavy deductions, Good Hope, but hold it for ever, ob- he still hoped the million to be approferved, that in confequence of the navi- priated to the nation would be found gation laws it was requifite a bill fhould forthcoming. Mr Dundas finally obpafs to enable his Majesty to make cer- served, that the trade of the Company tain regulations refpecting that colony, had lat year increased four millions, for it was the wifh of the Government and as it was not probable they thould of this country, that it should not be long have a rival in that quarter of the held in the monopolifing manner of the globe, it was not likely their trade would Dutch, who compelled other countries foon be diminished. Their prefent capiin their traffic with it to numerous im- tal allowed them by Parliament to traffic pofts and inconveniencies---but be open with, would therefore be inadequate, to the trade of all nations, and in its and it must be enlarged. The right impofts equally impartial to all. He hon. gentleman then made feveral momoved a bill accordingly. tions founded on his statement.
The House being then formed into a committee, Mr Dundas again rose to ftate the annual accounts of the revenues and expenditures of the Eaft India Company. He read from papers, the accounts of the receipts and charges (caft up in rupees and pagodas,) at the different fettlements; and then cambined them with the property of the Company at home and afloat, in one view--the refult of which was, that there was a large furplus of revenue, and the Company's affairs this year were better as to debts and affets 1,240,4901.
Much of the profperity of our territories in India, and particularly in Bengal, he attributed to the wife and benevolent fyftem which had been established in that province by a Noble Lord (Marquis Cornwallis), and the good effects of which were daily obferved in the growing happiness and the encreafing wealth of that country. There, fecurity was now affixed to property, the people were happy in the enjoyment of what they poffeffed, and the population increafed from the temptation which increased profperity held out to people to leave other countries, and to fettle in that. From an increase of population an increase of revenue followed of courfe, because there was a greater demand for every article of confumption in the country. He then remarked, that this car near 400,000l. had been expended,
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Dec. 19. The Lord Chancellor quitted the woolfack, and prefented a mellage from his Majelty, which was read by the clerk, and appeared to be fubftantially the fame with that delivered lan Siturday to the House of Commons.Ordered to be taken into confideration to-morrow, and their Lordships to be fummoned on the occation.
20. The order for taking his Majesty's moft gracious meffage into confideration being read by the clerk,
Lord Grenville rofe for the purpose of moving an address to his Majetty on the occafion. He prefaced it with a thort but appofite speech, in which he obferved, that his Majefty's communication to their Lordships was of that tenor as to preclude the poffibility of a difference of opinion in regard to it. He therefore deemed it an injuftice to the good fenfe and feelings of the House, to enter in to any detail respecting its contents; but would content himself with ftating generally, that it was obviously the best policy, when engaged in a contest with France, to avail ourfelves of the affift- · ance of fome powerful continental allyand none more clearly came under this defcription than Auftria—and fuch affiftance was never more neceffary, perhaps fo neceffary, than at the prefent
crifis. He was aware it was the wifh of juft; and that his Ambaffador was re-
The Duke of Bedford said, his wish was
Lord Grenville replied. After a fhort
The Lord Chancellor put the question
22. His Majefty's Affent was given,
26. Lord Grenville informed their
The Lord Chancellor read it; in fub-
That it was with the greatest concern
His Majefy had ordered all the me-
In this fituation his Majefty had the
Lord Grenville then rofe, and inform-
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PART I. Elays, Biography, and Anecdotes, Agricultural Improvements, and
Abbe Sieyes, account of 156
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Beattie, Mr James, character of 581
Bridge of cast iron over the Wear 724
Churn, description of a newly invented 34
Deaths of eminent perfons in 1796, lift
Dedications, remarks on 311
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Elizabeth Queen, fketches of 6. 885
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