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the saddle, as "F. A. M.'s design shows it in
both his figures.

ordinary lathe-bed for the purpose of carrying a
122836.1-A FRONT slideway attached to an
sliding rest has given the best possible results, and
I should ask to have illustrated two beautiful
were it not for the expense which it would entail,
photos. of most elaborate works in ivory and black-
which I have just received from a client in the
wood, executed by a front-slide ornamental rest,
West of England.

such, for instance, as the proposed front-slide lathe.
And unless, when done, it is freely sold, which is
always matter of speculation, the loss is exceed- In a full-sized drawing now before me, I find
ingly heavy; the costly patterns becoming worth- with a total depth 6in. in the bed, I have allowed
less, and the stock unsaleable. Hence the "make 3in. for the open between V edges. So I think
to order" system must, I fear, as a general rule, beF. A. M." will see this allows sufficient for the
accepted, to the serious blood-letting of the in- half-nuts to open so as to clear the screw-threads.
genious amateur.
Major Armstrong's letters appeared in 1881, Nos.
THE LEVER AMERICAN SCROLL CHUCK.-I for Sept. 30th, Oct. 14th and 28th. The discussion,
notice Mr. Hines'
letter, and appreciate it with a second letter from him, appeared, I think,
as of one who knows what he is saying. early in the next year.
Fred Carre.
I must state, however, that I have no
possible interest in the depreciation of the scroll
chuck. I found my own not so reliable as it ought
to be, but did not even publish my own opinion
until it was so fully corroborated by that of others.
I was also led to visit Mr. Churchill, and to gather
other men's opinions privately. A Canadian gen-
tleman wrote me some very interesting and valu-
able letters upon the subject and upon various
other lathe matters, and he told me of a chuck on
the principle of the Oneida drill chuck with direct
screw grip, but, unlike, the latter, with stepped jaws
for large work. It is an Oneida, but not known in
this country. By the bye, I saw a new Oneida
key chuck at Churchill's, of first-class construction
for drills and small bars-a snug, compact, strong
article just introduced. It is the 4in. lever amateur
chuck which I specially alluded to as faulty, not-
withstanding that it is very handy indeed. In this
my opinion has at least found many supporters.
MANDREL WITH HOLLOW CONE FOR SECURING
TRUTH IN CHUCKS.-Ingenious as this device is, I
The slideway attachments which I have made to
do not think it will commend itself to the fancy of amateurs' lathes have been for the purpose of
the readers. No doubt cone fitting tends to self-adding a self-acting arrangement for automatically
centring; but would it not be better to have a coned cutting screw-threads upon various works, either
shoulder behind the chucks, and to hollow these? in metal or ivory and hardwoods, and for accom-
plishing the beautiful spiral or Elizabethan twisted
work in the latter.

The hollow mandrel face looks like a mistake.

I confess I am a believer in mandrels with a plain cylindrical neck, as described by Mr. Hines, with screw not nicked in behind, and a good shoulder turned flat for the chucks to abut against; and I do not think any device will beat this for holding chucks truly and securely. If, however, the cone is at all expedient, it appears to me that' it should be simply carried out as in B2 (Fig. 2). Fig. 3 is the ordinary conical neck extended down to the screw, as in some forms of mandrel, or that the shoulder should have a cone as at C (Fig. 4). As regards the mere serew pitch of a mandrel, I do not think it deserves quite all the attention it has of late received, for although it were perhaps impossible to devise a better mandrel than that of the learned doctor, I doubt if it would enable ornamental chucks to be transferred and yet run true; and if this is not attained, the universal mandrel Ecrew thread does not appear to be a necessity. O. J. L.

THE FRONT-SLIDE LATHE.

[22835.]-F. A. M." desires to know how my suggestion of clamping the sole of the rest to the back side of the bed-top could be carried out. I may say, the thought in my mind at time of writing was a detachable piece, planed with a V, to fit the back edge of lathe-top. This piece would have a boss on top, on which, or in a hole in which, the back-stay might be fixed. This piece would be bolted to end of the sole of slide, and, of course, would have to be removed when it was needed to shift the saddle to back of the poppet. It is only intended for use when large discs require to be turned; but I do not put this forward as anything more than a suggestion, or as by any means the only or the best way such a thing might be done. When we get as far as the slide-rest and saddle, I have no doubt some one, if not I myself, will have been able to give the point more consideration than I have as yet.

I did not say that such a slide was useless if cast solid upon the lathe-bed; but in view of the fact well known to mechanical experts-that durability of machinery is chiefly dependent upen extended pointed out the desirability of retaining the modern surfaces, where they slide one upon another-I English form of lathe-bed for great pressure and heavy work which appeared to be in prospect for the lathe under discussion, by the request made to have it with a gap bed.

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To a lathe already fitted with a large number of
chucks and accessories, which has not only be-
come valuable to its owner on account of the
amount which has been spent upon it from time to
time, but from its handiness and convenience
through long usage, such an additional advantage as
front slideway affords can hardly be over-rated,
and I have overwhelming testimony to the thorough
satisfaction which these rests have afforded.
There is no doubt that a lathe-bed with a frontslide-
way can be produced to meet the general requirements
of amateurs who find their most enjoyable recrea-
tion in doing various kinds of mechanical work:
and one with its whole construction such as to make
it an automatic and general operator, which would
fairly stand the test of usage and time; and, with
the best half of a lifetime spent in designing
machine tools, I would say there is no difficulty
whatever in either designing or constructing such
an apparatus.

I have forwarded all my standard lathe-hobs-
those of my uncle Cawdron and my own standards,
tabulate their details for publication in the
to Dr. Edmunds, who has kindly promised to
ENGLISH MECHANIC. The advantages of intro-
ducing a defined thread-form and aliquot rates for
the ornamental lathe

can hardly be

over

estimated.
Griffin Works, Norwich. Edward Hines.

the hand or slide-rest. The real working strain
due to turning is all taken by the front shear. Even
in a bed with connecting ribs, only part of the
working strain is thrown on to the back bearer, and
it is only in the box form that the strains would be
at all equally distributed. I mention these points
only to show that a single web properly stayed will
do the work quite as well as two only partially
connected. "J. H." is wrong about the planing
of my bed as shown in drawings of 7in. lathe. If
he examines the elevation, he will see that at the
base of headstock a shallow recess in. by in. is
cast for the very purpose of ending the cut, and the
individual bed in question was (so the firm for
whom I designed it informed me by letter, in answer
&c.), "rabotté d'emblé "-i.e., planed at one set-
to my instructions as to planing, boring, fitting,
ting. As to the boring of headstock, that and
ting with a special boring bar, nearly the length of
cylinder of poppet head were also done at one set-
the lathe bed, steadied of course where required. I
have just had, through the kindness of one of our
contributors, a good study of Northcote's "Lathe
in my idea of driving leading screw from a back
and Turning," and find that he has anticipated me
shaft, with a double set of radial arms and
wheels; but he also in his "Multipurpose
Lathe " had the mandrel head cast solid
no difficulty in
with bed, and yet found
twice setting of bed on planing machines would,
the boring. "J. H.'s" remarks about the
however, apply to all gap beds, as it would be im-
possible otherwise (unless the table, like one or
two American tools for circular planing, revolved,
or was capable of being set at any angle in the
the gap. I have, from the same source, been
same plane with reference to travel) to plane out
favoured with a view of a photo of one of Messrs.
Cooke's F.S. lathes, and I particularly notice that
they have adopted the very form of slide I and also
many of our correspondents advocate, but without
the (to my mind) unnecessary overhang of bed.
Now, as Cooke and Co. may be taken as excellent
authorities in medium sized lathe construction, I am
course of next week, to be able to send you a draw-
pleased to find myself so supported. I hope, in the
ing to scale of my proposed bed for a 4in.
S.A.F.S.L. with 4in. gap, thus admitting a dia-
meter of 16in., and to take 3ft. clear between
centres. Now, as with this diameter and leverage
there will necessarily be considerable torsional
strain, and as this takes place mostly at the gap, I
have therefore departed considerably from the
bed at both ends to standards or to a bench. In
usual mode of construction-viz., of fixing the
a gap bed the angles immediately at the bottom of
gap are the weakest part; and in any such bed,
supported at each end and loaded at or about the
gap, there will be considerable defection more or
less according to the load, and this increases directly
depth of cut, the material and its configuration. To
as the leverage or radius of work in the lathe, the
obviate this, I prolong the gap framing sufficient to
form a wide based foot or standard, the left-hand

end of which forms a stiff cantilever, on which is
cast or bolted, as the case may be, the headstock.
As I intend this lathe to do (for its size) compara-
tively heavy work, I propose to take all heavy
torsional strain off the mandrel, and turn all work
over 9in. or 10in. from a geared face-plate, the
same as in shop surface or wheel lathes; of course,
this will make the bed heavier than it would have
been under ordinary conditions; but it will, I think,
make a satisfactory job.

There is some good in S. Austel's design, and next week I will send a tracing of his to fit, with suggested alterations. I don't understand his screw clutch action at all. Is the half-nut to work in and out by a long pitched screw on handles, or how? Our friend O. V." has not appeared in 66 ours for the last two numbers. I miss his letters and "F. A. M.'s.” Mechanicus.

THE FRONT SLIDE LATHE-IS IT

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[22837.]-I QUITE agree with F. Carre in his observations relative to the above. We do not propose a new lathe; but, as F. C. says, a new bed, fitted to receive various attachments to suit the class of work to be done; and I contend that it, the F.S.L., will do sliding and screw-cutting quite as well as the present usual lathes. The bearing surfaces are not as large, it is true; but they are not so much exposed, especially the vertical faces, to dirt and grit as the present horizontal ones, and not at all more so than any shaping machine with fixed The back-stay I have not yet got settled to my ram head and travelling work bracket, as I have satisfaction; at present I see no better way than as mentioned in previous letters. The particular form I have above suggested. Here "F. A. M." has fresh of bed remains yet to be decided on; of course, I ground to break on. But that he is the first and prefer my own, and I notice that "J. H." and only one who has proposed that the top of the bed others endorse my view as to the arrangement of in the front-slide lathe should bear its share of the top race-i.e., flat at back and Vee, truncated, DESIRABLE ?-OUR 1,000 ISSUES. pressure from cut, is not in accordance with the sloping forward; the inside Vees I object to in any [22838.]-I FEAR I have scarcely made my facts, as the following references will prove. In form, for reasons I gave some time ago. In the meaning quite plain to Mr. Fredk. Carre, and with the first letter I wrote on the subject, Jan. 11th, section "J. H." sends us this week, I notice that your permission will endeavour to do so from his p. 410, last but one paragraph, where the germ of he also covers the top of his saddle bracket by a own standpoint-i.e., regarding the amateur's lathe what he claims as solely his is clearly stated by me. projection of the bed. I cannot imagine that a as a general servant of all work. Now, Sir, I do Again, Feb. 15th, p. 516, "The rest might be made practical man would do this, otherwise than in de-a little of most things, and therefore use my lathe to slide forward on to top of bed, between V slots ference to a (I think) mistaken idea of some of our for turning, &c., wood, brass, iron, and steel. on top of bracket." March 7th, p. 14, "Some correspondents, about turnings and dirt accumu. With it I require to drill and bore holes of all sizes of the strain in cutting would be borne by lating in the top groove; even supposing they did, in metal, &c., to cut screws and gears, or cogtop of bed, for I intended the base of the slide-rest it is quite as easy to clean out as off an ordinary wheels, to flute taps and rimers, and, in fact, to do to be capable of being slid on to top of bed, before any odd jobs that present themselves from fitting being bolted in place on bracket." This was all up a telescope (I am now at work on a 5ft. focus written before "F. A. M." appeared on the scene. 3in. achromatic), or a photographic lens mounting As to his right to call my bed a "paper bed," it and camera, to making a bicycle or a 2-horse really does not matter or concern me in the least; engine, &c., and, in addition, I want to make my his challenge will be answered all in good time. lathe do my planing, shaping, and slotting; the Meanwhile he must be satisfied with what I have latter I do with a slotting tool in the ordinary tool stated, that "there is room for the rest." If more post, the wheel or work to be done on the faceroom is needed, it is to be obtained in the way I plate, the mandrel locked fast, and the “traverse have already stated, adding in. to depth of the obtained from the leading screw by pulleys on it bed, and not in the way F. A. M." has gone and the driving shaft. The planing and shaping is about it. For there is no need, and certainly no all done by milling cutters, the work being fastened advantage, in having the rest so far from its seat in on the cross slide, to do which it is obviously

bed, and with the advantage that the surfaces being
either vertical or bevelled at an angle of about 40°,
the chips have no great tendency to stick there. By
following this idea, so much valuable depth of bed,
representing leverage, is lost, while the top tables
of bed (which in the F.S.L. do little more than
support the heads) are made of unnecessary width.
Again, why has "J. H." made his back shear or
bearer thicker than the front one, which has to take
most of the strain? In the double shear cast-iron
bed of an ordinary foot lathe, the back shear really
only serves as a distance piece to guide the poppet
head, and as a strut for clamping down both it and

ENGLISH MECHANIC AND WORLD OF SCIENCE: No. 1,002.

necessary to have plenty of room under the centres
and a long cross slide, which latter is not possible
(practically) with a
tion to it. My plan is to have a "bed" of extra
"front slide," hence my objec-
strength (strong enough in fact for a 9in. centre),
and fit upon it a pair of 5in. headstocks raised on
strong hollow "boxes" to 9in. or more, to fit the
saddle with a long cross slide (nearly 2ft.) with a
vertical slide under it, and use tool posts and rests,
as previously described, and I still prefer this, not-
withstanding all that has been written on the
"front slide,"-
was given by our old friend "O. J. L." a long time
-a good design for which, by the bye,

since.

I do not agree with Dr. Edmunds (letter 22812) as to reducing the friction by shortening the length of the "collar bearing." I have tried both plans, and find practically, apart from theory (which I believe confirms it), that the friction (that is the actual power expended) varies directly as the pressure and speed of surfaces in contact, and is not affected, within reasonable limits, by the amount of surface in contact; hence friction is reduced by reducing the diameter of a bearing, but not by its length, while on the other hand reducing its length, increases the wear with no compensating advantage in saving of power. This is a point that might, with advantage to many, be thrashed out in your columns, and if I am wrong I need not, I think, say that I shall be glad to be corrected, as, on all points, I desire to learn, before anything else, and I am always open to conviction. All I ask is to be shown the man that can convince me, like the "backwoods" American lady when she held the shooting iron."

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May I be permitted to say that our much esteemed confréres, "F.R.A.S." and G. Calver's observations, anent your 1,000 issues, give my sentiments exactly. I have been a reader of ours 27 from its birth, but only an occasional contributor, adopting the plan of "giving from my store" only when, so far as I could judge, others had not precisely the same article at command, or I had some well-ascertained fact, and thus saving space. Previous to "ours 99 memory serves me correctly, the Mechanics' MagaI used to read, if ine and the Practical Mechanics' Journal, but neither satisfied my appetite nearly so well.

Finem Respice.

LATHE MATTERS. [22839.]-"H. E. R." has done us good service by calling attention to the practice of the American

lathe makers.

"Faber" (on p. 191) proposed the "tail tube," which would, doubtless, cause less friction than the ordinary washers, though more than the usual tail pin. Čan "H. E. R." this" tail-tube," give us a section of readers help us with information as to the conor will not some of our American struction of their lathes? I should much like to see working drawings of the "Cornell" lathe, of which a notice appeared not long ago, and to know how the "shell chucks are made in which work can be clamped and released without stopping. Dr. Edmunds deserves our thanks for his description of the Cooke lathe. I see both he and "Electric Lamp" think we cannot improve upon that section, Dr. E. suggesting that the torsional strain is better met by the double-shear pattern, whilst "F. C." says the girder section resists both strains best. In this I think him right, and without going into calculations, I think Dr. E. and "Brockley will be convinced if they will nail together some strips of in. wood so as to make a long open frame, say, 3in. deep by 3in. wide by 3ft. long. Now, let them take one end in each hand and consider whether that is a good shape to resist torsional strain, and whether all the strain must not come on the four small corners. represents the double bearer lathe-bed when the This long frame fairly bolts pass through to the bottom flange, and there are no cross webs.

Now take the frame to pieces, saw one long piece down the middle, and nail each half on the top and bottom edge of the other so as to form an I or girder section, and when you again take one end in each hand you will find you have a bar of more than double the torsional strength of the other. Probably neither of these sections will resist the twist caused by setting the lathe on an uneven foundation, and that caused by turning must be so insignificant that we need only provide against vibration: that experience alone can decide, all calculations being delusive.

Once more I must venture to differ from our friend he says (p. 282, bottom of first column), "The friction in the front collar depends upon the area in contact with the collar, and by shortening the collar in which the neck runs, the friction can be cut down at pleasure." Now I was always taught that increasing the bearing surfaces increased their duration without augmenting the friction. On consulting Abel's "Rudimentary Principles of Machinery," I find (page 51):

1. "Resistance of friction is dependent on the

nature of the substances.

IV. "Resistance is independent of the amount of

surface in contact as long as the same is large
enough to prevent heating, &c.

the rubbing parts as long as no abrasion takes
V. Resistance is independent of the velocity of
place.

pressure (no abrasion taking place).'
VI. "Resistance is in direct proportion to the

seems to prove that a 6in. mandrel will require no
Rule V. requires a word of explanation, as it
have noticed that other correspondents have been
more power to turn it than a lin. one, and as I
on the Steam Engine" (page 63):-
misled in this way, I quote again from "Bourne

the rubbing body if the friction over a given amount
of surface be considered; but it increases as the
"Friction does not increase with the velocity of
velocity, if the comparison be made with the time
during which the friction acts."

require the same amount of force to cause it to
turn once, whether that revolution be made quickly
Thus, Rule V. shows that the lin. mandrel will
or slowly. If it make two revolutions (whether in
the same time or not), that will take twice the
force. The 6in. mandrel will take six times the
force to cause it to revolve (irrespective of the
time), because the sliding surfaces move over six
times the distance.

with a foot-lathe, and wish it to run easily at a
speed of 8 to 1 suitable for wood, you must have
I conclude, therefore, that if you are dealing
perfectly-formed and polished necks of a small
diameter. Their length has nothing to do with the
friction, except that if you make it very short the
pressure may reach 800lb. per sq. in., when the oil
Nor should you have them of an exaggerated
would be forced out and the surfaces destroyed.
length, because then there will be a slight increase
of friction owing to the viscidity of the needlessly
large layer of oil.

have a 2in, mandrel neck or more; but if you have
to drive by the foot at a speed proper for wood, do
If, then, you have power at hand, by all means
not have a neck of more than lin. or 1in, unless
you are used to the treadmill! A lin. neck should
diameter, and that is why I do not much care about
not be expected to do good metal work on a large
a gap for a foot lathe, except for platters of wood
or iron, with arms or projections, &c.
F. A. M.

"E. M." about the American scroll chucks, and I
AMERICAN SCROLL CHUCKS.
[22840.]-I HAVE seen many letters in the
of Messrs. Churchill a three-inch scroll chuck,
am, although late, tempted to add my experience
which I believe is one of Cushman's, although it
to that of others. About eight years ago I bought
does not bear their name.
£2 178.-but it is as good now as when I bought it,
not, it has proved a first-rate chuck. It cost about
Whether it is theirs or
and I have never regretted the purchase. It does
not hold work perfectly true, but nearly so, and I
find it of immense use for drilling and boring. I
think it is much to be regretted that the Yankees,
as they do; it is, as I believe, a thorough mistake.
I have seen a lot of cheap American chucks which
and also the English, go in for cutting down prices
I only needed to look at to see that they were
simply rubbish; but it is the old story-if you want
a good chuck you must pay a fair price. But that
which chiefly led me to write this is to caution any
would-be buyers against a form of chuck with
several steps thus-

This looks very ingenious as taking three sizes, but
practically that part of the jaws taking the larger
diameter is so much in the way of the smaller, that
myself a chuck with only one step, almost like
the smaller are almost useless. I prefer very much
the letter L.

my own runs from lin. to 0; but then it does the
work as nearly to perfection as may be, and that is
This form has a rather limited range; for instance
after eight years' wear. Another reason for my
writing is that I hit upon a most simple, but I think
a most useful, contrivance. Every turner is aware
the closer you keep the work to the collar of the
mandrel the better. But if you hold a small piece
that in turning anything held by the mandrel only,
of wire, say in. diameter, in one of the American
chucks, and turn very close to the jaws, there is the
great risk of the tool slipping, and catching the
Now the plan I have adopted is to take a disc of
metal-a bronze penny will do very well for small
chuck and, perhaps, causing serious damage to it.
diameters-drill a lin. hole as near the centre as
you can, and slip it on to the in. rod you are
turning. It is clear then that you can turn close
up to the chuck without the risk of doing any mis-
chief. In fact, the disc of metal may often be very
useful as a gauge.

JUNE 6, 1884.

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for replenishing with ink. This pen I bought many
years since of M. Baraban in Paris, but I do not
know if any English maker supplies a similar in-
strument.
R. Inwards.

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in the E. M." of last week, I beg to state that I
am unable to elucidate completely the assertion
HIGH SPEEDS-LOCOMOTIVES.
brought forward in the article of the Engineer's
[22844.1-IN reply to "Nun. Dor.'s" letter (22773)
ment of petroleum in fireboxes of fast-running
number for May 16th, with respect to the employ

locomotives.

about this. It is true that the amount of units of heat generated by the combustion of one kilogram of petroleum, or other similar mineral oils, is about There ought to be a little more explanation 12,000; but then I have not the least idea how this solves the problem-all the more that we have in when they do not give out so much heat. In my opinion a properly selected coal will always be England plenty of good coals that will do very well cheaper than petroleum. Trials were made in France some years ago to ascertain the value of petroleum as a locomotive fuel. The result showed for this reason it was abandoned. that, after all, this material is dearer than coal, and

heating surface. This state of things cannot be altered as long as the present arrangement is kept. I think that English engines have too little ing 120 kilometers an hour is, of course, restricted to lines which have not gradients of more than gor The use of engines, running with a speed exceedTHE ENGLISH MECHANICS' SOCIETY. locomotive's tractive force decreases rapidly with or only short ones of, which the vis viva of the train could easily overcome. The efficiency of a under this heading in your issue of the 9th ult., Iceeds much 401b. The use of [22841.]-ADVERTING to my letter (No. 22712) the steepness of the incline. At the above speeds the resistance per ton ex“singles” is not

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NOTES AND QUERIES ABOUT THE TELESCOPE AND TELESCOPIC MATTERS.-III.

[22847.]-I WISHED to ascertain if "F.R.A.S."," a trustworthy observer, had seen the 5th and 6th stars of the Trapezium, and am interested to know that he has seen them both with an aperture of 4 in.

I have to thank "H. S." for his very obliging communication. He will notice that later observations by the Nice astronomers corroborate his impression that the markings on Uranus resemble more the belts of Jupiter than the spots of Mars.

4 Bombarde to Pedals. 12 Bombarde to Great

18 Tremulant to Swell. 19 Tremulant to Solo.

Composition Pedals Proper.-These do not act on arbitrary combinations, as with English work, but on previous arrangements prepared by hand at pleasure, but, of course, giving any composition that the stops admit of; there is, thus, the necessity for but seven of these: two to the Great, and one to each of the other Claviers.

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It is stated that Mr. Burnham has seen the 5th and 6th stars of the Trapezium with an aperture of 3in. But, as appears from "H. S.'s" letter, this seems to have been done with an object-glass of 6in. reduced to 3 in., and so the observation really goes for nothing in the way of discountenancing Dr. Klein's scepticism, as it is well known that an object-glass of large aperture when reduced to a certain diameter can do much more than one whose whole aperture only amounts to that reduced diameter. With regard to Dr. Gill's observation, I have no doubt he thought he saw the 6th star with 3gin. aperture by Ross. Some persons have thought they have seen a star in the centre of the Trapezium, which shows how easily impressions may arise as to objects in that region. No doubt the 6th star actually exists, but Dr. Gill's impression with that aperture might have been merely subjective. It so happens that a good observer, whose name is known to readers of the ENGLISH MECHANIC, tells me he has repeatedly looked at the Trapezium with an aperture of 3 in., by the same eminent maker (Ross), without seeing either the 5th or 6th stars of the Trapezium. (The cost of this instrument, including mounting, was £70, and Ross must therfore have considered it good work.) After all, nothing seems to be cited that authoritatively impugns the statement that an aperture of 4in. is inadequate to show the 6th star. I notice that "F.R.A.S." has managed to import a little virtuous indignation into this matter.. I wish, however, to say once for all that my queries are not intended to call forth virtuous indignationthat last infirmity of noble (and also of ignoble) minds-but merely information and serene.discussion.

M. Trouvelot states (p. 230) that Saturn's ring B is known to be divided into three parallel zones. Query, has any one of the observers who read the ENGLISH MECHANIC seen these three zones?

It will doubtless appear curious that our instructive correspondent F.R.A.S." should cite with approbation Mr. Proctor's supposition that Encke's division is the only permanent sub-division, at the very moment that M. Trouvelot declares from observation (see p. 230) thatEncke's division has disappeared (n'existe plus), or at all events occupies such a different position from what it used to do, that it is doubtful whether or not a new division has taken its place; nay more, when MM. Henry, using a large aperture consider that division a mere optical illusion. This shows the danger of relying in such matters on the à priori conclusions even of Mr. Proctor.

With regard to the crape ring, a careful American observer, Prof. Davidson, makes the following notes, and starts the following queries, in the Bulletin of the California Academy of Sciences for February 1884. (Aperture 6.4in.) Date, Oct. 1883-Jan. 1884. "One of the best revealed features was the undoubted difference in brightness of the gauzy ring at the two ansæ. ... It became a question whether this appearance was in the ring itself, and would thus give a clue to its period of rotation, or whether it was owing to the direction of the atmospheric waves of disturbance, as we see them it crosses the body of the planet, does not present a in geodetic observations. The dusky ring, where uniform tone of colour, but the inner circumference seems a little denser and darker than further out. This might arise from a narrow dark belt on the body of the planet just on the line of projection

of the inner circumference on the body of the planet. There is across the white equatorial band on the body of the planet, a very narrow dark belt close to the edge of the dusky ring."

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In regard to the query of "A. S. L." in regard to the front view telescope (p. 237), I may mention, that many years ago, I witnessed on one occasion the performance of such an instrument. mirror was of speculum metal, of inferior quality and polish, with a diameter of 8in. The eyepiece was directed to this mirror. I still remember the fine image it gave of Jupiter, which I have never since seen surpassed with regard to the vivid distinctness with which the belts were shown. Those present were taken by surprise at one circumstance, viz.that one of the satellites appeared to be square, and not round, as we expected to have seen

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it. None of us could then explain the cause of Computed for the winter months: for the summer months the corrections must be slightly diminished. this appearance. We know the explanation now, for it is given by the Rev. Mr. Webb in his "Celestial Objects" p. 168, 4th Ed. That such an appear.

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ance should have forced itself on those who did not TABLE VIA.-Showing the Correction for Lunar or | TABLE VIII.-Showing the correction for lunar or expect to see it, shows, I think, that this form of telescope may have considerable defining power; and as to its superiority in light there can be no question. The objection to it is that to perform well, it requires to be of long focus. The mirror in question had a focus of 8ft. It may perhaps be reserved for Mr. Wassell to add one more to his many previous triumphs of ingenuity in speculum construction by devising a mode of obtaining a form of reflecting surface, which with one reflection would combine good definition with a manageable focus. I hope he will turn his attention to this, which, if it be a possibility, would be, perhaps, the greatest advance that now remains to be made in the construction of the reflecting telescope. James Dunlop.

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SCIENTIFIC DIALOGUES ON THE

TIDES.-VII.

[22848.]-Q. IN the matter of the actual computation of tides, it perhaps would increase the interest which is taken in the subject if you give an epitome of the method by which numerical results are obtained.

A. In order to do this, it will be necessary to give you a few of the tables which have been devised for the purpose, together with some instructions as to the method of using them. But, pray remember that those which follow are in a very abridged form, and that the tables actually used are much more extensive and elaborate, adapting themselves, in fact, to all positions of the moon and sun. Still, by carefully using these abridged tables good approximate results may be obtained, which will be capable at once of verification. I begin with the

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With the parallax ranging from 53' to 57, the increments must be decreased by an inch; with the parallax ranging from 57' to 61', the increments must be increased by an inch. Changes in the inclination of moon's orbit require separate tables. Q. The next thing is to work out one example of the use of these tables. Suppose we take the morning tide of June 1st, 1884, at Liverpool?

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will not show your breath. Doctors and dentists can use it on small glasses with which they examine the teeth and throat, and will not have to wipe them off at all. Surveyors can use it on their instruments in foggy weather, and there is no film to obstruct the sight. In fact, it can be used any10+ where to prevent moisture from forming on anything. It does not injure the usefulness of fieldglasses, &c.; in fact, a small drop of pure glycerine 4+ in a small hole in a sheet of brass makes a good lens for a small microscope. I first saw this used on a steam-gauge glass on a Sound steamer where the gauge leaked inside." E. A. M.

Height required....22 3

Note. The italics distinguish the classification. James Pearson, M.A., F.R A.S.

Fleetwood Vicarage, April.

THE OBVERSE TIDE. [22849.]-IT appears to me that there is not much hope of successfully explaining the generation of the obverse tide to those who evidently are not accustomed to regard the subject of attraction from a mathematical point of view; but I must do the best I can. Let us suppose the earth and moon were the only two attracting bodies in the universe, and that the earth was surrounded with an envelope of water of uniform depth. I have to explain how, under these circumstances, the figure of the compound mass of earth and water would be that of a prolate spheroid, with its axis in the direction of the line which joins the centres of the luminaries. It may be assumed that the total attraction of the moon on the solid substance of the earth may be represented by a single force acting as a resultant at its centre or centre of gravity. Let two forces, equal to this resultant, and opposite to each other, be supposed to be applied to this centre, and to each particle of water which forms the aqueous en velope. This will not disturb the equilibrium. Let

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Crepresent the centre of the earth, and AB the aqueous envelope. Then if two forces, each equal to the total attraction of the moon at C, be applied at A, as represented by the arrows AR, AR'; AM being the direct attraction of the moon on the particle of water at A, we shall have, 1st, a direct attraction AR tending to draw the particle towards the moon; and also, 2ndly, a difference of attraction AM-AR', whereof AM is the strongest, because this portion of the envelope is nearest to the moon. Also, at B, we shall have in the same way forces represented by the arrows BS, BS'; BM being equal to the moon's attraction on the particle at B, and also, first, a direct attraction BS tending to draw the particle at B towards the moon, and also, secondly, a difference of attraction BS' - BM, whereof B S' is the strongest because this portion of the envelope farthest from the moon. The result will be that the waters about A will have a tendency to flow, so as to form a protuberance under the moon, and the waters about B to flow so as to form a protuberance on the side opposite to the moon. I am not sure that I have sufficiently explained the matter; but it is exceedingly difficult to popularise the discussion of what seems quite plain to a mathematical reader.

James Pearson, M.A., F.R.A.S.

Southport, May 24. CURE FOR STEAMED AND FROSTY

WINDOWS.

[22850.]-SOME time ago I noticed inquiries about steamed and frosty windows in "ours," and the suggested remedy was thorough ventilation. The following note, which I found in the American Machinist over the signature "Gillcrank," is worth reproduction, I think, for though few shopkeepers will care to glycerine their windows all over, the wrinkle may be useful in other cases: All engineers know what a nuisance a steam or frost covered front window is in cold weather. Now, here is a kink I have used successfully for several years, where it is so cold a damp hand will stick to the chain of the fire door on fair days, let alone bad ones. A very thin coat of glycerine applied on both sides of the glass will prevent any moisture forming thereon, and will stay until it collects so much dust that you cannot see through it; for this reason it should be put on very thin. If used on a looking-glass you can shave yourself in an ice-house and the glass

A PIECE OF PAPER WITH BUT ONE

SURFACE.

[22851.]-I SEND you a sketch of a paper loop having this curious property. The paper has but one surface and one edge.

This anyone may prove by making a mark on the loop with a pencil, and then moving the pencil turned to the point first marked. The whole surface along the surface until it has gone round and rewill have been traversed. By starting on any part

of the edge and following it round, the same result follows-the edge is continuous. The loop is made by taking a slip of paper, bringing the ends to gether, then giving one of them a half-turn, so as to bring the other side uppermost, and gumming them together. I have hatched one side of the paper so as to show what I mean by the half turn at the junction.

Of course, a crossed machine belt is the same thing. By cutting along the centre of the strip, one big loop will be found. On cutting along the centre of this two interlinked loops result. Glatton.

REPLIES TO QUERIES.

In their answers, Correspondents are respecεfully requested to mention, in each instance, the title and number of the query asked.

[52520.]-American Organ.-Mr. Floyd has delayed his reply so long that I have almost lost "touch" with the discussion, and certainly have not much interest in debating the matter on the points indicated. If Mr. Floyd thinks that voicing "perhaps eight or nine rows of reeds" is a sufficient apprenticeship, it is not for me to doubt Also as to the question of what Elève" meant in his abilities. If he is satisfied, I am sure I am. a letter seventeen volumes back, we will agree to differ, for I cannot possibly accept Mr. F.'s version, and have no wish that he should mine, if I have failed to convince him. Having thus cleared the way, I may proceed to point out, for the benefit of those whom it concerns, the lesson to be learned himself. If I remember aright, Mr. F.'s great from the experience of Mr. F., as detailed by contention is that quality of tone depends on other things beside the voicing, by which he really means that the tubeboard and soundboard have something to do with good tone. Taking Mr. F.'s statements as they appear on p. 283, I think it may be safely said that he has demonstrated his proposition so far as it goes; but he has demonstrated it only in connection with his own work. It is obviously impossible for anyone to say what may be the defect in Mr. F.'s No. 2 instrument, unless it is personally examined; for although it can be nothing the matter with the soundboard, as a soundboard, it may very likely be something in the fitting up of the instrument, or (technically) the action. As I practically identical, as absolutely identical as his have explained, each maker makes his boards reeds, and, so far as I know there is no means of determining a choice of boards except the mere fancy for one in preference to another because the wood is better marked; certainly, builders of American organs would do no more than rap the board with their knuckles if they were selecting one for a very special instrument, and, of course, cast an eye over it to see that it was sound in every respect. Perhaps Mr. Schucht or "Fiddler "will lend a hand here, and say if it would be possible, knowing what has to be done to an A.O. tubeboard, to select one by means of a tuning-fork or other test of the resonating power of the soundboard. Now to Mr. F.'s statements. He has tried a set of reeds from a M. and H. instrument in his defective one, and, singular to say, they were not To Clean Marble.-Brush the dust off with a hence the fault must lie with the board. It may be anything like themselves in his defective board; coat of gum-arabic about the consistency of thick reason above given, and also from what Mr. F. piece of chamois, then apply with a brush a good so-I cannot say without examining; but, for the mucilage, expose it to the sun or wind to dry. In a short time it will peel off. If all the gum should says further on, I don't think so; but I rather not peel off, wash it with clean water and a clean his board (that is a good word, and really exattribute his failure to the "environment" of cloth. If the first application does not have the presses just what I mean). Mr. F. having tried desired effect, it should be tried again. Another the reeds from the American instrument, voiced a method is to rub the marble with the following solution: lb. of soft soap, lb. of whiting, and loz. though he has no doubt they would have given a new set of reeds, but found them no better, alof soda and a piece of stone-blue the size of a good tone if he had been able to try them in the walnut; rub it over the marble with a piece of M. and H. instrument (the edge of one set would flannel, and leave it on for 24 hours, then wash it be>-shaped, the others square). So far this bears off with clean water, and polish the marble with a out his argument; but further on, and separated piece of flannel or an old piece of felt; or take two by other matters, I find the statement, the 4ft. parts of common soda, one part of pumice-stone,and and row I voiced myself, and in these stops proone part of finely-powdered chalk, sift it through duced a fair tone, which is lost if the reeds are a fine sieve, and mix it with water, then rub it transferred to the back 8ft. row." Surely, here is well over the marble, then wash the marble over with soap and water. To take stains out of white with the pallets or with the stop-valve, at any rate it room for suspicion that the defect is something to do marble, take one ounce of ox-gall, one gill of lye, is brought within the narrow compass of one row one and one-half tablespoonfuls of turpentine; instead of the whole board. I note also that the mix, and make into a paste with pipe-clay; put on sub-bass seems to have disappointed Mr. F.; but the paste over the stain, and let it remain for clearly that is his fanlt. Here, allow me to say several days. To remove oil-stains, apply com- that Mr. F. quite misunderstands me about "patchmon clay saturated with benzine. If the grease work." I take his word for it that he is an exhas remained in long, the polish will be injured; cellent workman who abhors botching; but what I but the stain will be removed. Ironmould or ink-meant was that he goes in for adding this and that, spots may be taken out in the following manner Take half an ounce of butter of antimony and one ounce of oxalic acid, and dissolve them in one pint of rain-water; add enough flour to bring the mixture to a proper consistency. Lay it evenly on mained for a few days, wash it off, and repeat the the stained part with a brush, and, after it has reprocess if the stain be not wholly removed.

USEFUL AND SCIENTIFIC NOTES.

and so making a sort of patchwork organ, which may be a very good one, but may very easily be in these columns, he has dodged the sub-bass about quite the contrary. Despite the advice given him on "four or five different plans," and now he is how to set his sub-bass reeds-that is, unless he is not satisfied. His sole difficulty is in not knowing looking for what he will never attain. There are Water-meters.-The report of the direction of one or two points at which I must take exception the gas and waterworks in Breslau for the year-notably where Mr. F. says that the chief 1882-83 states that at the end of the year there characteristic of the M. & H. voicing consists in the were 5,527 water meters in use. Of 927 meters bend at the point of the tongue being very abrupt." which were removed for testing or repairs at the That is the chief characteristic of the voicing to instance of the authorities themselves, 250-that is, gain a certain tone-character; but decidedly is not 27 per cent.were found to register correctly, that best adapted for obtaining the diapason tone. while 677-that is, 73 per cent.-required repairs. Just about here there is a good deal of confusion. The cause of trouble in these cases, as given by the This board is supposed to be defective; but here is Sanitary Engineer, was: Failure to register or in- Mr. F. saying that he has "no doubt an expert correctness in registering, 414; defect in the index- voicer, one of the few, could improve this instruhands, 130; defects in the index-face, 110; in- ment," and further on he says that "to get a juries due to frost, 3; other injuries, 11. At the decent tone, as well as promptness on the defective request of private householders 318 water meters board, I have to keep the point straighter and were tested, of which 140-that is, 44 per cent.- higher in the block." It is satisfactory to learn were found to require repairs. that he can by any means get a decent tone; but he

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