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that subject, as near as you can recolo only supposed it; he did not admit that
lect?mThe averment upon that subject he knew of any other.
I took to be to import, that he had not Whether he did not also state, in the
allowed Mr Trotter to do that to the same speech, that he never knew that
extent which it had been done.

Mr Trotter had invested any money on
Is it to be understood, that your re- exchequer or wavy bills ?--I believe he
collection is, that he allowed it to any said so.

That he never knew he had put any Do you mean that he allowed it in money upon security of stock ?-I beany other respect than as a benefit lieve he said ső. might arise to him from depositing it That he never knew he had employfor the convenience of the public ser- ed any money in discount of private viçe-as another bank ?--The noble Lord bills ? --I believe he said so. had first of ail contended, that the act That he never knew he had emplov. was not evaded; and therefore there ed any money in the purchase of bank comes a question, what was the evasion or India stock?-I believe he said so. of the act ; not a manifest évasion of Whether you recollect at the same the act, according to the construction time, the noble defendant declaring, of the Noble Lord; but according to that he had not the smailest knowledge the construction I put upon it, it was in or belief that Mr Trotter ever did lay manifest evasion of the act.

out for his use or any benefit in any Whether the noble Lord admitted such modes, any suai of public money that he had ever permitted Mr Trotter whatever! - Please to read the passage to derive any private benefit from the over again, and tell me to whom that publie money, except the benefit arising bis refers, whether to Mr Trotter or from a deposit made at a private bank. Lord Melville. er’s for the purpose of official conve- Question repeated. I do not think nience?--I understood Lord Melville to so precisely as it is put in those words. say for Mr Trotter's convenience also. What was the averment upon that

Whether, upon recollecting yourself subject ?-Pretty nearly amounting to upon this subject, you mean to state, precision, but not altogether; the inthat the noble defendant admitted that pression made upon my mind was, that he knew or permitted any emolument the denial was not positive and precise. to be derived to Mr Trotter from the Can you with any distinctness recol. public money, save and except whatre- lect the substance of the expressions sulted from its deposit at a private ban- used?-I cannot recollect further than ker's for official convenience -The I have stated; I cannot discriminate noble defendant stated, that he 'had al- more nicely; I wish I could, for the lowed the money to be placed at a pri. benefit of the learned counsel, as it vate banker's for official convenience; would save him trouble. and when there, he had allowed or pero Is there any part of this expression mitted, or not prevented Mr Trotter which you think was not used; will from making a private emolument from read it again ?-It is not the expresă it: and that emolument arising from sion, it is the general impression of the the interest he was to make of it from same words in another order; the in. Mr Coutts's.

sertion or the omission of one word will Whether the noble defendant admits make all the difference to the constructed his consent or knowledge of any tion of the passage. other benefit to Mr Trotter from it? Have you the notes with you, which The noble Lord never said he had re- you took at the tims?-I have not ; stricted Mr Trotter from making advan- they we're notes I then took being then tage in any way, to the best of my re- in the House of Commons, and endea. collection and belief; and he then stat. vouring to prepare myself to answer the ed that he had made it in that way. speech of the Noble Lord; they were

The question is not, whether he re- notes of that sort, that if I were to restricted him, but whether he said he fer to them now, I do not know that I knew of his having any other advantage, should be able to understand them, and excepting the advantage before stated? whether they are in existence or not, I He did not say he even knew it, but

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This passage, which is favourable to know it?

I am at a loss to ascertain Lord Melville, you have, no distinct rc- that precisely ; but my relation Mr collection of the terms made use of - Coutts had applied to Mr Pitt, and I The only precise words I have any dis- believe Mr Pitt had made interest with tinct recollection of, I have sworn to ; my Lord Melville, to appoint me to I have no recollection of those words that situation ; I do not know whether stated by the learned Counsel to the that was the only interest employed or Court, whether favourable or unfavour. not. able.

When you were appointed PaymasExamined by the Lords.

ter what was your salary ?5cl. a Question from a Lord.—When Lord year with some deduction of taxes. Melville stated, that he would not re- As Paymaster of the Navy, did you veal the application of a sum of 10,000l. receive the balance of public money or thereabouts, did he state to the house which was due from your predecessor? his reason for declining so to reveal it? -The bank books were delivered to the, --In mentioning of the first 10,000l. or I believe by Lord Melville, and I was whether he coupled the two together, I told that the public balance was at that am not quite sure ; but the words he time in the bank, excepting the sums used and the motives he said that pre- that were in the hands of the Sub-acvented him from revealing the applica- countants, and a sum which his Lord. cation of that money, were motives of ship mentioned to me. public duty, of private honour and per. Do you recollect what that sum was sonal convenience ; I understood him to

which Lord Melville mentioned to you? apply those words to both sums.

I had stated it upon the best of my Then ALEXANDER TROTTER, recollection upon a former occasion to Esquire, was examined as follows : be 19,00el., but have been induced from

Were you ever in the Navy Pay Of. many things I have seen since, to be. fice? I was.

lieve it was 19,6ool.; 1600l, a balance When did you first enter the Navy due' from his first treasurership. and Pay Office ?-I believe in the latter end goool, a balance due on the first part of the year 1776.

of the second treasurership. What was your salary when you were Did you examine the public cash at first appointed ?-I went into the Pay the time you became paymaster? - No Office a junior clerk; I believe upon a further than by observing by the books salary of gol. a year.

that the balance was in the bank. How long did you continue in the Where was that 10,000). wlrich you Navy Pay Office - I continued I be have thus divided into two sums ?lieve till the year 1784, as a clerk. My Lord Melville told me that he

Was your salary increased from your should account for it. first entering the office up to the day of Did he tell you in whose possession your quitting the Navy Pay office?- it was ?--He did not. I apprehend it may have been, but not Whether you received the balance of materially ; I do not recollect.

exchequer fees?-I did.. Was it doubled I do not think it What is the distinction between ex

chequer fee money and the public woHow long did you remain out of the ney deposited at the bank?_Exchequer Navy Pay Office ?-My recollection fee money is imprested into the hands does not serve me to state that precise- of the Treasurer of the Navy, who al. ly, , but I believe nearly a twelve- lows the Paymaster to have entirely the month,

management of it, for the purpose of What office did you hold when you paying fees at the Exchequer, and some were replaced in the Navy Office - other contingencies. was appointed Paymaster under the Is the exchequer fee money imprestTreasurer of the Navy.

ed to the Treasurer of the Navy in the Who appointed you Paymaster ?- same manner as the other public money? My Lord Melville.

- It is the only instance in which it difUpon whose recommendation if you fers. (To be continued in our next.)



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be settled in perpetuity on the family ; Tuesday, April 20.

and hoping their Lordships would en

able his Majesty to carry the same into Lof the OR Stanhope called the attention


Friday, May 16.
subject. He observed that within the
last fifteen years, this country had ex-

The third reading of the slave impor, pended, for curn imported, about forty. tation restriction bill was opposed by five millions sterling. There was at

the Dukes of Clarence and Sussex, the present every prospect of the ports in

Earl of Westmoreland, the Marquis of the Baltic being shut against us.

From Sligo, Lords Eldon and Hawkesbury, a friend, who had travelled very recent.

&c. upon the ground that the bill was ly in various parts of the country, he destructive of a great branch of our was informed there was reason to ap

trade, and that it was little better than prehend a failure of the crops in many

an abolition of the trade in disguise.--distriets. With the knowledge of these The Bishop of St Asaph said, he was no facts, our situation was truly atarming; friend to any thing in disguise, but yet he understood considerable quanti- while he sat in that House, he would, cies of barley were daily exported to by every means in his power, whether Ireland to be made into spirits. Previous fair or foul, whether by open hostility to any proposition being submitted by or secret stratagem, labour to destroy him to the House, he wished to obtain that infamous traffic, which was no less an account of the exports and imports,

a disgrace tu humanity than it was dein flour and grain, since the 1st day of structive of the morals of the nation. January 1800, specifying the different Regarding this bill as a step towards its years.---Lord Moira said that it was the abolition, he gave it his warmest sup. first time he had ever heard that there port. On the same grounds, as well as was any ground whatever for such an

on those of policy, the bill was support. alarm, and both from his own inspec. ed by the Bishop of London, the Duke tion, and the opinion of others on whom

of Gloucester, the Earl of Suffolk, and he could fully rely, he had no difficulty Lords Holland, Darnley, Grenville, Ein-saying, that it was totally void of lenborough, Sidmouth, and Auckland. foundation. Lord Auckland concurred

The bill was passed, after a division, with Lord Moira, in stating that there

for it 43, against it 18.
was not the least reason for the alarm
which might have been excited by the

language of the Noble Lord' who

Monday, April 14. had preceded was Bay Preason to suppose that the ports M Bil hebben able the commissioners

Hobhouse obtained leave a of the Baltic would be shut against us. The fact was, that foreign corn daily ar

appointed by Act of Parliament, to rived in such quantities, that licences carry into execution the agreement were frequently applied for and granted

entered into by the East India Como for its re-exportation. The motion pany, the Nabob of Arcot, and certain was then agreed to.

private creditors. He entered into a

long but dry detail of the transactions Monday, May 12.

connected with this object. A message from the King was pre- Lord Garlies wished to know, now sented by Lord Grenville, informing that the capture of the Cape of Good their Lordships, that his Majesty had Hòpe was completed, whether it was settled an annuity of sooo l. on the pre- intended to propose a vote of thanks to sent Earl Nelson, and his next heirs, the officers and men engaged in that and appropriated the sum of 120,000 1. important service. Mr Windham rea to the purchase of a house and lands to plied in the negative. It was not, he June 1806,


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said, a service of that magnitude to call papers respecting East India affairs, for such a mark of public approbation*, which, after a long but uninteresting Wednesday, April 16.

conversation, were ordered.. Leave was given for bills for opening prevent tie publication of all ex parte ea.

Mr Serjeant Best moved for a Bill to and improving the streets, and for remov. ing the slaughter house in Glasgow; for vidence taken before the trial of offenopening and lighting the streets, and

ces. No one, he said, was less dispos.

ed to trench upon the liberty of the erecting a Bridewell in Paisley; and for.

Press than he was, or could think more repairing roads in the county of Ren. highly of its importance. But it was of frew. Thursday April 17.

equal importance to preserve the fair

and unbiassed distribution of justice ; In a Committee resolved, that 10,000l. and while ex-parte, evidence continued be granted for the encouragement of to be circulated, as at present, through discoveries at sea, connected with the

the whole country, no Jury could come longitude. In a Committee on the bill

to the trial of an offence perfectly im? respecting the liability of witnesses to

partial and free from, bias. It was inanswer certain questions, the Master deed held at present by lawyers, that of the Rolls moved a clause, that a wit.

the practice was contrary to law; but ness should not be compellable to au. as the law now stands, it cannot be swer in a Court of Law, a question executed , but on the prosecution of which he might demur to in a Court of those who are the sufferers from the Equity. After a long conversation, the practice, or on that of the Attorpeyclause was negatived without a division.

general. The interference of the latter, Mr Yorke moved for copies of all opi. he thought, would be equally unavailing nions transmitted in writing to Mi- from the present defective state of the nisters, by General Officers, respecting law on the subject. He wished therethe expediency of enlisting men for a fore to make it the interest, of some: limited term of years. The motion

other persons to prosecute; and for this. was resisted, chiefly upon the ground

purpose, he meant that one of the of the indelicacy of publishing opinions clauses of the bill should give a penalty confidentially given to the Commander of 100l, on the publisher, to any perspat in Chief. After a conversation of some who should prove the fact. of publicalength, the motion was negatived with-. tion, and also empowering the Court to out a division. On the motion of sir punish the offender, by way of im-, 7. Sinclair, a Select Committee was ap- prisonment. Such, were the objects ata pointed to examine the accounts re- the Bill which he moved ford Leave lative to the forfeited estates in Scot. was granted accordingly.u: **** yen land. Friday, April 18.

Tuesday, April 22. Mr Paul moved for a number of

The Hon. Henry Erskine took hisy seat, and, on the motion of Sir John

Sinclair, his Lordship’s name was added * On the 27th of May a motion of to the Committee to whom the accounts thanks to the same effect was made in of the forfeited estates in Scotland were the Common Council of the city of referred. The order of last Session for London, but negatived on the ground. suspending the civil prosecution against of its having been refused in the House Mr Trotter, for misapplication of the of Commons.-The value of the colony public money, was, on the motion of of the Cape seems to have wonderfully Mr Whitbread, discharged. depreciated within

Mr Paul brought forward his charges*

General Clarke against Marquis Wellesley, whịch exreceived the thanks of buth Houses for tended to the whole of that Nobleman's its capture, and the cession of that co- government in India, and charged krim lony by the peace of Amiens was loud, with corruption, extravagant waste of ly and generally reprobated. Now, the Company's money, do gratify, his, however, its recapture, which has been own love of pomp and splendour, dişo. effected at a vast expence, is not worth bedience of orders, oppressing to the naa vote of thanks.

tive Princes, and, in shorts with entirely


1795, Lord Keith bese ten years. In

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Çausing the present disastrous state Captains of the Top and of the of the Company's affairs in India. A Forecastle, an increase of o 3 6 long conversation ensued, which evided Able Seamen, an increase of is. in the motion being withdrawn for the a-week,

4 present, as there were no documents Ordinary Seamen, 6d. a-week, o before the House to substantiate the Chaplains to have, with the office, charges, and Mr Paul moved for various the yearly salary of 20l. hitherto appapers.on the subject,

propriated to the Schoolmaster.

Upon this calculation, the expence Thursilay, April 24..

under the several heads will be about Mr Serjeant Best withdrew his Bill 300,oool. annually; but the estimate for før probibiting the publication of ex- the present year being only from the parte evidence in the newspapers, many ist of May, he would only now move persons, for whose opinions he felt the for the 193,1681. greatest deference, having considered To the out-pensioners of Greenwich that it would trench upon the liberty Hospital, he would allow a certain ad. of the presso

dition, to be regulated according to

their services and their present situa. Friday, April 25.

tion. From 7l. a-year, it should rise Lord Howick (in a Committee of Sup. in gradation till it reached is. Per pby) moved for an increase of pay to of- day. For this sum he meant no addi. ficers in the naval service. After a vari. tion to the public burthens. It was to ety of observations respecting the ima be provided by a measure which will portance of that service, and the peculi. require a bill to be brought in, namely, arly strong claims of our seamen to the by a grant of is. in the pound from all esteem and gratitude of their country, prize-money; and, in addition to this, herstated his object to be, to raise the he had no doubt of his Majesty's conrates of allowance to all the classes of

sent to set apart, for the same purpose, ibe navy, with the exception of Masters a deduction to the same amount, from and Surgeons, who received an advance all droits of the Admiralty. His Majesof paye last year, and Landsmen, who ty's uniform solicitude for the comfort voluntarily, aware of all the circumstan- and rewards of the navy warrant a conces of the situation in which they engage, fidence in his acquiescence upon, this stand on a footing quite different from subject. that of the Seamen.

The Marine force having so much - As to the scale of augmentation, he analogy to the regular army, he would proposed the following allowances : postpone any reference to their case,

until the question respecting the pay To Admirals of the Fleet, an

of the army shall be determined.

· Lord Garlies expressed his obligations increase of Admirals,

to the Noble Lord, for the solicitude 7

he had manifested, so soon after his in.. Vice-Admirals,

troduction to osice, to better the con. Rear-Admirals,


dition of the naval officers. Though Captains of ships above third

he fully approved of the principle of the rates,

4 Captains of ships above sixth

measure, he very much disproved its

application. He did not complain of rates,


the addition proposed to the pay of the

Per Montb. Petty and Warrant Officers. He, on Warrant Officers, an increase of the contrary, wished it had been more,

LO 6 as these officers formed the very soul Petty Officers (whose numbers

of the navy. If an addition had been are also to be considerably made to the pay of the ist Lieutenants augmented,)

5 of men of war, it would have been, in Masters and Surgeons having his opinion, exceedingly agreeable to had a considerable increase

the service, and the sum necessary for of pay allowed them last year,

such an increase could not be material, are not included in the pre

as there were only from 100 to 12,0 sent increase,

ships of that description in commission.


Per Day.

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