religion, who pitched themselves in opposition to Orangemen, who profess Pro- Mr. W. Motherwell. testantism. 3387. You mean that the demonstration they made was in expectation that the 31 August 1835. Orangemen were about to meet?--Yes, that they would perhaps process on that day; they came and raised a disturbance. Only at Airdrie I think there was a procession of Orangemen. 3388. Was not there a reaction in consequence of that afterwards?—Yes, when the Orangemen were attacked, the inhabitants of the town rose to protect the Orangemen, and drove out the Ribandmen; the Orangemen went to their lodges the moment they saw the slightest disturbance likely to take place. 3389. You speak of Ribandmen; do you know any lodges of those, or how they are associated?—I am not aware how many lodges there may be; but certainly there are lodges there, as well as scattered over the country where the Roman Catholics reside, or are employed in the public works. 3390. Is it to be understood that they have associated together to defend themselves from what they consider the plans of the Orangemen against them?-I suspect they were of an earlier origin than the Orangemen; and that the Orangemen were simply defensive, and not aggressive. 3391. How do you know that?-It is from having seen their secret oaths and rules. 3392. Have you a copy of them?-No, I have not; but I showed a copy of them to Mr. Cosmo Innes, which was published in one of the Irish newspapers, and copied into one of the London papers, and was never contradicted by any one. 3393. From whom did you get that?-I got it from one of the London newspapers; they borrowed it from a Belfast or Dublin Roman Catholic newspaper. 3394. You do not speak of any thing you know has taken place in the neighbourhood of Glasgow ?-No, I do not. 3395. Do you know of any individual in Glasgow to whom oaths have been administered?-No, I do not. 3396. Then it was taken only at second-hand from this source?-Just so. 3398. Have you heard of any meeting of Ribandmen in Glasgow of late?-A 3399. That was a meeting collecting at the Green, to go out to Airdrie against the Orangemen ?—Yes. 3400. What objects can Scotsmen generally have as being Orangemen ?— The whole object they have is just the support of the Protestant institutions of the country; and they join as eagerly as the Irish Orangemen do in that laudable object. 3401. Has any clergyman joined it?-There was one that was in the Airdrie district. 3402. Has any clergyman of the kirk joined you?-A Burgher minister of Airdrie was the chaplain of the two lodges there; and there was a clergyman of the Episcopalian Church joined us at Glasgow, and he was like to have been made chaplain. 3403. Have you signs and pass-words?—Yes. 3404. Do you consider yourself at liberty to state them ?-No, not as a man of honour. 3405. What obligation have you?-We have no obligation, except a simple reliance on each other's honour; we have no oath. 3406. Do you consider the manner in which you are initiated, and the voucher your sponsors make for you, to implicate silence and secrecy?-1 certainly look upon it as an obligation on a man of honour. 3407. Is it not a religious ceremony?-No, not unless there is an oath administered. 3408. Do you consider no man as bound by a religious sanction and declaration, unless he takes an oath? I think he is conscientiously bound not to reveal; but I do not suppose but that he might be formally acquitted, though he violated that obligation. Mr. W. Motherwell. 31 August 1835. 3409. Had you any correspondence with Colonel Fairman, or any Orangeman, about the late election ?- None in the world. 3410. You took no part?-No part whatever. 3411. What distinction do you make between that declaration, which it appears you take in your lodge, and an oath; it is a very solemn declaration ?-Yes, it is; it is such as an honourable mind would not break, I think; but still, a cunning casuist might find means for evading it. 3412. On what ground do you consider that it is not binding on a man's conscience, the same as an oath ?-You do not swear to it. 3413. Do you not, in the courts of Scotland in general, hold up the hand, and make a declaration in a form like this?-Yes; but I have heard a person who made an affirmation say very differently when he held up his right hand, and swore in the presence of God. 3414. This declaration comes very near it?-It comes very near it, I confess. 5415. It commences, "I solemnly declare by this holy evidence of truth?"In Scotland, when we swear we say, "I will depone;" we make a distinction between a deposition and a declaration; if it is on oath he depones, if it is an affirmation he declares. 3416. Wherein is the difference ?-I am not such a casuist as perhaps would distinguish completely the difference; I should always tell the truth, whether upon oath or not upon oath. 3417. Had you any communication yourself with the Orangemen at Airdrie or Port Glasgow, or any of those places?- None. 3418. Have you ever heard of a meeting of delegates of the Ribandmen, to the number of 20 or 30 anywhere?—I think I heard that they met at Glasgow, but not of my own knowledge; such a report was current about Glasgow; some of the men in our lodges know these things better, because they mix with the same class of people. 3419. Since Colonel Fairman's visit, has the spirit of Orangeism at all improved in your neighbourhood?-There can scarcely be said to be any improvement in it, because all the lodges under my control, with the exception of three, are at the present moment in a state of utter suspension, and the meetings are illegal; if they hold any at all, they have not obeyed the orders of the grand lodge. 3420. Is the correspondence referred to in those minutes consisting of the letters to Colonel Blacker, Colonel Verner, and Judge Smith, the only correspondence you have had with Ireland-The only correpondence that I am aware of; there could not be any other without my knowing it. 3421. Do you recollect what the answer from Judge Smith was ?-If I recollect rightly, I think that Judge Smith did return an answer, and that it was simply to the effect, that he was glad to acknowledge any good opinion expressed for him by any class of the community; but that he took no share whatever in party politics. 3422. Did you ever visit the Orangemen at Edinburgh ?-Never. 3423. Have you not, as editor of a paper, received the thanks of the grand lodge in London more than once, for your writing and exertions in the cause of Orangeism?--I am not a very vain man; I do not recollect whether thanks were given to me or not, but that will appear by looking over the annual reports. 3424. Did you get a copy of those reports of the proceedings of the grand lodge?—Yes, and I distributed them among the lodges, until they were suspended. 3425. To all the lodges in activity you sent a copy?—Yes. 3426. Do you make a report half-yearly of the state in which you are?-We are obliged to make two reports in the course of the year; every distinct lodge makes up a report and sends it to me, and I then send it to the grand lodge. 3427. You collect the reports?—Yes. 3428. When you receive the circulars, do you distribute those circulars you receive to the lodges?—Yes, I should; but I have not been able to do that, as the lodges are all in a state of suspended animation. 3429. Have you sent up any fees or dues?-Not one penny. 3430. That is expected?—Yes; it will appear from the minutes of the Gordon Lodge that no money has been transmitted; there would have been a considerable amount in fees and dues, but owing to the low state of our funds at present we never transmitted any. No. 4.-Deputy Grand Secretary's Account of Receipts and Disbursements No. 5.-Appeal to the Conservatives of England No. 6.-Progress of Orangeism, from the "Glasgow Courier No. 7.-Progress of Orangeism in the West of Scotland, from the "Glasgow Courier" of 26th December 1833 No. 8.-Mode of collecting the National Protestant Fund No. 9.-Address to the Members of the Carlton Club No. 10.-Appeal to the Conservatives in the West of Scotland, from the Gordon Lodge - No. 12.-Case and Opinions, referred to in Lord Kenyon's Evidence, 21 August 1835 120 129 No. 17.-Laws and Ordinances of the Loyal Orange Institution of Great Britain, 1826 - No. 20-District Warrants No. 21.-Letters and Answers connected with Regiments and Artillery at Home Colonel Fairman to the Marquis of Londonderry Colonel Fairman to the Marquis of Chandos Colonel Fairman to the Marquis of Londonderry Colonel Fairman to the Duke of Gordon Colonel Fairman to W. Swan, Esq. · Colonel Fairman to the Archbishop of Canterbury No. 22.-Copies of Letters from Glasgow, Paisley, &c., 1832 and 1833 141 196 219 No. 23.-Letters and Answers connected with Regiments and Artillery in the West Indies, Our well beloved Brother ORANGEMAN, Charles Owen Haines, of the 2d battalion of His Majesty's Rifle Brigade, and his successors, are nominated and warranted to the office of a Master in the Orange Institution, and appointed to perform the requisites thereof, within the realm of Great Britain. Appendix No. 1. Warrant of Grand |