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PARLIAMENT. [39.632.700.] the account now given by the Noble Noble Lord in queftion to explain it. If

ON the 3d of December the Commons

refolved themselves into a committee of fupply, to confider of the armyeftimates.

As foon as Sir Charles Whitworth took the chair of the committee, Lord Barrington rofe, and moved the following refolutions according to the estimates then lying on the table. His Lordship informed the House, that they nearly correfponded with thofe of the preceding year, except a fum incurred for the dif. ference of the pay of 4000 troops, paid by Ireland, and of courfe on that eftablishment, which deficiency had been lately pointed out by Mr Barry Barry, an Irish member. After giving a detail of the several stations of the troops, his Lordship moved, That 20,000 men be employed in G. Britain for the fervice of the year 1778, guards, garrifons, and invalids included.

Col. Barré defired to know, before any fubfequent fupplies fhould be granted, what was the number of troops ferving in America.

Ld Barrington replied, that the whole army upon paper confifted of 55,095 men, 14,000 of which were under the immediate command of Gen. Carleton, 20,000 under Gen. Howe, and the remaining 21,000, confifting of regulars, provincials, &c. were ferving at New York, Staten island, Rhode island, Nova Scotia, the Weft Indies, Pensacola, &c.

Mr Byng faid, that he fhould be glad to mention a circumstance which occur, red to him, on a certain Noble Lord's obferving, the night before, that Gen. Howe always attacked Gen. Washington with an inferior force. I fhould be glad to know, faid he, whether the 20,000 men which are now faid to have landed with Gen. Howe, are inferior to the number of 15,000 men, which has been ftated to be under the command of Gen. Washington. It is a fact, that the Noble Lord yesterday reprefented the number of our army to be 13,000 men, and the number of Gen. Washington's to be 15,000. It appeared extremely inconfiftent to him, that Gen. Howe should attack an army of 15,000 men with only 13,000 men, when the number of his army was actually 20,000. This was a circumftance, he concluded, that required investigation; and he called on the VOL.XL.

Lord was correct, we had no great rea

fon to pride ourselves in our fuperior bravery; as we must have had a fuperiority of four to three. The alternative could not be evaded; either we were fuperior, or the Noble Lord who has the fuperintendence of the army misinformed the Houfe; or, if he was right, the Noble Lord in high office was grofsly mif. taken.

Ld George Germaine answered, that the question was certainly pertinent and proper, and that he fhould readily anfwer it. He acknowledged, it was true, he had ftated the army under Gen. Howe to be 13,000 men, and that of Gen. Wafhington to be 15,000 men, and did fo ftill; but then he neither included in that number the artillery, officers, or wounded foldiers. He only fpoke of 13,000 men with arms on their fhoulders; 13,000 effective men engaged in battle, and that conquered 15,000.

Col. Barré expreffed the greatest surprife at the reply of the Noble Lord. — He never heard fo barefaced, palpable, and mean a quibble in his life.- Never, he faid, did he hear a foldier fo exprefs himself; never, he was convinced, did a minifter of war obtrude on the House of Commons such an assertion : — It is deferving of remembrance, and I promife the Noble Lord, fays he, it shall be remembered. What, continues the Colonel, exclude from the lift of the army the officers and artillery, because they do not carry firelocks! Are not the officers concerned in the battle? Are not the artillery? Do they nothing towards conqueft? The Noble Lord may have partial experience on his fide, perhaps, to prove fuch doctrine; but I'll promife him, it would be very ungracious to a British audience, and would gain little credit even in a domeftic circle. The Colonel then called upon the Noble Lord to declare upon his honour, what was become of Gen. Burgoyne and his brave troops; and whether or not he had not received expreffes from Quebec, informing him of his having furrendered himself, with his whole army, prifoners of war?

Ld George Germaine faid in anfwer,. that he was ever ready to give to the Houfe the moft early and authentic intelligence of any tranfaction within his knowledge; and now, though the recital must give him pain, he knew it to

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be his duty to inform the Houfe, that he had, indeed, received expreffes from Quebec, with a piece of very unhappy intelligence, which, however, was not authenticated, and he could not declare it officially it had been fent from Ticonderoga to Quebec, and had come to Ticonderoga by the reports of deferters. The tidings were, that Gen. Burgoyne and his army were furrounded by a force greatly fuperior,-cut off from fresh fupplies of provifions, and unable to pierce through the numbers of the enemy; fo fituated, he had been forced to capitulate, and had surrendered himself and his army prifoners, on condition that they should engage not to ferve during the war in America, fhould have a fafe conveyance to the water fide, and have leave from thence to return to their native country. It was a moft unwelcome, and a most unfortunate affair; but, how ever, he hoped, the Houfe would not be over anxious in condemnation, nor decide on the propriety or impropriety of the concerted plan that led to this unhappy event. He hoped they would fufpend their judgements both on the conduct of the general and of the mini fter on this occafion. He hoped the conduct of both would appear free from guilt. For his part, he declared he was ready to fubmit his conduct in planning the expedition to the judgement of the Houfe. If it appeared impotent, weak, and injurious, let the cenfure of the Houfe fall upon him. He was ready to abide it; as every minifter who regards the welfare of his country, ought at all times to have his conduct fcrutinized by his country.

Col. Barré rofe again, and in a most animated, fevere manner, reprehended the Noble Lord. He declared, he was fhocked at the cool, eafy manner in which he related the fate of the brave Burgoyne. He was more fo at the affurance of infinuating, that a portion of the blame might lie at the door of the General. Was there, he exclaimed, a man in the Houfe who in his heart could fay, that Burgoyne had failed through his own mifcondu&t? that he had fhewn the leaft fign of cowardice, the leaft fymptom of neglect in the expedition he was thruft into? He was certain, there were none would fay fo. But every man would fay, or at least every man would think, that the man who planned the Expedition was to blame. The minifter

alone who concerted the scheme, is obnoxious to reprehenfion for its failure. It was an inconfiftent scheme, an impracticable one, unworthy of a British minifter, and rather too abfurd for an Indian chief. Remember how frequently, how earneftly, and fincerely, I have warned, fays he, the minifter, of the effects of this plan. I forefaw the confequences: I foretold the event. It was faid I spoke in prophecy; has not my prophecy come to pafs? But in what terms can I exprefs my furprise at the bravery, my indignation at the effrontery of the Noble Lord, in declaring he will abide the cenfure of this Houfe, and fubmit his conduct to their eye? Does the Noble Lord know the extent of his criminality? Does he know the refentments of this House? I believe he knows neither; but how foon he may, it is not for me to determine.

I would beg leave, continues he, to call the attention of the committee to the conduct of the Americans. They have been branded in this house with every opprobrious epithet that meanness could invent; termed cowardly and inhuman. Let us mark the proof. They have obliged as brave a general as ever commanded a body of British troops to furrender; fuch is their cowardice: and instead of throwing chains upon these troops, they have nobly given them their freedom; fuch is their inhumanity. I only wish from this fingle circumstance, to draw this fair conclufion, that inftead of being engaged with a fet of lawless, desperate adventurers, we find them, by experience, to be men of the most exalted fentiments; infpired by that genius of liberty which is the nobleft emotion of the heart, which it is impoffible to conquer, impracticable to difmifs.

Hon. James Luttrell. I find myself under a neceffity of requesting the indulgence of the House for a few minutes, because I think it my duty to take every opportunity of repeating my abhorrence of the mercenary and savage principles of a civil war, which has never yet held out conftitutional terms of peace to be its object; and as I do conceive, that whilft unconditional submission is the language of the ministers and parliament, all efforts to conquer America muft prove in vain, I cannot agree to vote away the lives and properties of my fellow-fubjects, merely for the purpofe of enriching and aggrandifing a few fa

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vourites and flatterers placed near the throne.

The Americans, it is evident, will not give up their liberties: they will die first: all the eloquence of a Cicero cannot perfuade us, that the unfortunate, mifled Burgoyne is victorious; that Gen. Clinton is in defireable fafety; or juftly give the boasted title of conqueror of America to Sir William Howe: yet the latter is represented with a great and powerful army in the field; he wants neither for money, nor fhips, nor troops; he wants but the only one neceffary article for confolation in defeat, or permanency and advantage in victory, I mean a juft caufe; and G. Britain never, never can build up fame or dignity to itself upon acts of injuftice and oppreffion.

But minifters have hopes of important fuccefs. Sir, that language ought at leaft to imply, that fome honeft, wife Americans, may, upon found principles, be induced to return to their allegiance. But is there a gentleman in this house that would candidly acquit the abettors of unconditional submission, of deferving the flavery you endeavour to yoke them with? Is it to obtain such a humiliating end, that the American now confoles himself for the lofs of a father, friend, or brother, who fell in the battle? No, Sir, it was for liberty they fought, for liberty they died; that only can repay the lofs, and obtain forgiveness of the murder.

The revolution which brought the prefent family to the throne, was obtain ed by men fo refolved; our Magna charta was obtained by men fo refolved; and the Americans have not proved themselves lefs deserving of their liberties, than those Britons. An American Magna charta is what they wifely contend for; not a Magna charta to be taxed by strangers a thousand leagues diftant. But the conftitution of this country, if in perfeetion, if uncorrupted by bribery, and abufe of power, is acknowledged to be one of the happieft that men can live under; therefore I do believe, that mamy wife and honeft Americans may, upon found principles, prefer it to any new invention of their own. I do not fay the Congress would, nor yet many of their ambitious leaders, nor yet perhaps the virtuous Washington; but if constitutional freedom were fecured to America, every victory might then gain over

fome worthy friends to our cause, inftead of cowardly deferters, deceitful fpies, or falfe and dangerous pilots.

Sir, if honour

But minifters tell us that England is rich, and foreigners may be hired to carry on the war. What Briton would give up his laurels to thofe paltry hirelings, and fave our blood? called to arms, what minister dared to propose it? Neither are the Germans fo cheap as is pretended; for you muft now pay their hire, and when the war is at an end, you must likewife pay a large additional fum for all those who do not return home. Sir, I do not think the Germans will return: for I must pay the compliment to thefe minifters, that I do believe, even they are incapable of making fuch a conftitution for America, that the Germans fhall fly from it to better themselves, by returning to their own native, infamous fhambles, to be again fold by their tyrannical, petty princes.

But our important hope is to be gratified by the poffeffion of Philadelphia. Sir, that town was built for peace and trade, not for war. It extends itself upon a low, flat country, with scarce one advantageous fpot of ground to place a fingle gun on for its defence; therefore, to furround it with great works to fecure yourfelves in winter - quarters, muft create an immenfe expence, befides the latenefs of the feafon making fuch an undertaking almoft impracticable to be carried into execution. It is then a glorious conqueft to those who may enrich themselves by that new expence, but a calamity to thofe who are to be taxed for that new extravagance.

Or do we wish to be in poffeffion of the most beautiful town in America on. ly to fet fire to it? Are the British legions gone forth merely to warm themfelves by the burning towns upon the coaft? Can bithops perfuade us, their fmoke fhall rife to an approving God, or on earth celebrate the dignity, the wealth, the honour, the humanity of the Britifi nation?

But minifters are very brave to-day; they are ready to feal with their blood the mifchief of their counfels and whilft they are fo loudly fupported by a majority of parliament, that language founds well. But I must beg leave to remind them of a story which is related of a certain general and fatefman, who drew all his former friends about the court,

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with the heads of birds and beasts upon their fhoulders. He drew his miftrefs with the head of a swallow, and he wrote this motto underneath, Je fuis le meuvais temps, alluding to her having forfaken him in his misfortunes. Let minifters beware, left the fwallow's head and that motto fhould beft fuit the moft ftrenuous and forward of their prefent advocates.

For, Sir, had I an hundred tongues, and the eloquence of much abler men than myself who fpeak within thefe walls, I could not sufficiently express all the horrors, all the mifchief, all the ruin of this favage war; but this I will fay, that whilft fuch defperate, unfeeling minifters, advife his Majefty to carry on fuch an expenfive war, without an object of advantage in return, with fuch a caufe to difgrace the British arms, and fpill the best blood of this country, what man in his fenfes can be satisfied with the times, or can agree to vote for a perfeverance in measures, which have already produced fuch dreadful difgrace and calamity, that G. Britain is fhook to its foundation?

Mr Burke thanked the two gentlemen who had spoken before him, for having afforded him fome time to calm the tumult and perturbation in his breaft, occafioned by the information given to the Houfe by the Noble Lord. A whole army compelled to lay down their arms, and receive laws from their enemies, was a matter fo new, that he doubted if fuch another inftance could be found in the annals of hiftory [39. 665.]. The effrontery with which it was told, excited no less aftonishment than indignation. Ignorance had stamped every step taken during the courfe of the expedition; but it was the ignorance of the minifter for the American department, not to be imputed to Gen. Burgoyne, of whofe good conduct, bravery, and fkill, he did not entertain even the fhadow of a doubt. The Noble Lord faid, if there was any blame to be laid.-Without blame fomewhere, could an entire army be reduced to the painful, the distracting neceflity, of laying down their arms, and becoming prifoners of war? With the General and his troops, he was perfuaded, there was no fault to be found; that it could be traced no where but to the Noble Lord, whofe ignorance was not brought as an extenuation, but as a jutification of his crime.

The Americans had, he observed, been always reprefented as cowards; this was far from being true; and he appealed to the conduct of Arnold and Gates towards Burgoyne, as a striking proof of their bravery. Our army was totally at their mercy. We had employed the favages to butcher them, their wives, 'aged parents, and children; and yet, generous to the last degree, they gave our men leave to depart on their parole, never more to bear arms against North America. - Bravery and cowardice could never inhabit the same bosom; generofity, valeur, and humanity, are ever infeparable. - Poor indeed the Americans are, but in that confifts their greatest ftrength. - Sixty thousand men have fallen at the feet of their magnanimous, becaufe voluntary poverty. They had not yet loft all regard for the country from whence they fprung :-anxious ftill for our home defence, they have fent us back our troops; and left their hands free to fight against every enemy of G. Britain, but themselves. He reproached Ld George Germaine for his mifconduct and foolish credulity. He faid he was aftonished at him. In the beginning of last year, the Noble Lord, he said, informed them, that the enemy were cowardly, and our army fuperior in number.--On what did he ground this information? On report, mere idle report, to which the Noble Lord was always an implicit flave. He faid, that the information on which ministers confided, fhould be precife and certain : — that misinformation was no palliation for their errors, and he did not fuppofe that the House would admit it as fuch. He faid, the intended measure was a conjunction between Howe and Burgoyne; but that it was to be produced in the ftrangest manner he had ever heard of.

The armies were to meet : — yes; Howe was travelling fouthwards, and Burgoyne in the very fame direction! — The advocates for administration, he faid, had delighted in reprefenting America in an abject fituation, - as being without falt, without fhoes and ftockings, &c.— If they had applied to him in the beginning of the war, he could have told them of many more wants than all thofe together under which the Americans laboured, but he would also have informed the Houfe, that men fighting for liberty were not influenced by fuch particulars; that these only affected the

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body, but that the fouls of the Americans were unreduced.

He concluded with a few words on the Solicitor-General, whom he called the counfel to the Noble Lord. Upon

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Mr Solicitor-General arofe, and defcribed his own political character: his opinions, he faid, were genuine; they were his own; and he never spoke the fentiments of any man, but those only | which his own reafon had suggested; nor did he ever in that House plead the canfe of any man.

He had been invariable in his opinion, as well on one fide of the Houfe as on the other; and not feldom differed from both. The calamity he could not deny, was great; but could not infer from it that our condition was defperate. We had often received checks; but the fpirit of the nation had always made us rife fuperior to our diftreffes: an exertion of that fpirit would, on the present occafion, infallibly rescue us from danger, Britons ever fhewed magnanimity in diftrefs; and certain victory was the fure confequence of that fpirit: he wifhed therefore, that gentlemen would not be caft down that before now as great misfortunes had happened to us, from which we reaped substantial advantages: at Bribuega General Stanhope was for ced to lay down his arms, and surrender himself and his army prisoners of war; and that disgrace only served to raite an enthufiaftic ardour in the people, which foon effaced the ftigma.

Mr T. Townshend ironically applauded the learned gentleman for finding out precedents for our misfortunes; and rejoiced that the expedition conducted by his friend Col. St Leger had mifcarried [39. 520.), as blood and defolation would have marked the footsteps of the Indians, if they had been able to march to Albany. He was anxious to wear out the impreffion that Mr Solicitor's fpeech, on the fpirit of Britons, had vifibly made on the country-gentlemen; and for that purpose he drew the conduct of the favages in the most odious colours.

Mr Charles Fox expreffed his happinefs at being prevented from speaking immediately after the fatal tidings of our difgrace had been communicated to the House rage and indignation fo fwayed his breaft at that time, that if he had attempted to speak, his words must have been unintelligible. An army of 10,000

men deftroyed through the ignorance, the obftinate, wilful ignorance, and incapacity, of the Noble Lord, called loudly for vengeance; and if no one elfe would take upon himfelf the task of moving directly for an enquiry into the affair, he himfelf would do it. A gallant general fent like a victim to be slaughtered, where his own fkill and perfonal bravery would have earned him laurels, if he had not been under the direction of a blunderer, which circumftance alone was the cause of his difgrace, was too fhocking a fight for humanity to bear unmoved. The General and the House had been impofed on and deceived: Burgoyne's orders were to make his way to Albany, there to wait the orders of Sir William Howe, and to co-operate with him; but Gen. Howe knew nothing of the matter, for he was gone to a different country, and left the unhappy Burgoyne and his troops to make the beft terms for themfelves, in a country that was by nature fo defended, that ftrong holds were to be met at almost every mile, and every hour's march prefented almoft unfurmountable obftacles to his progrefs. He inveighed moft bitterly against Lord George Germaine; looked upon him as folely responsible in the firft degree; and next expreffed his opinion, that all those who had concurred in the measures of the war, by giving their vote in support of it, were likewise criminal, though in an inferior degree. He concluded by pronouncing the panegyric of Mr Burke.

Mr Solicitor General gave a little explanation of one of his expreffions, and fat down.

Mr Rigby, as one of the many who had voted for the war, thought it neceffary to fay fomething in his own vindication: he proved, that for upwards of thirteen years he had been invariably confiftent: he had been convinced, that G. Britain was fupreme over all her dominions; it was declared fo, early in the reign of Geo. II. who taxed the colonies, and acknowledged by them when they fubmitted to be taxed: from a tax impofed and fubmitted to, he inferred a right to tax; and from that conviction he had acted when he voted for the war; and he was fill of opinion, that every nerve fhould be trained to profecute it with vigour.

Lord North arofe, and expreffed his forrow at the prefent unhappy news:

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