"de tweede druk;" and as it does not mention any other edition, I doubt the existence of that of 1718. of the unfortunate officer's name, and gives the names and ages of his two children, which are incorrectly stated, p. 9 antè. I believe in consequence of this catastrophe, an admiralty order was issued forbidding captains of ships to have their families on board. Q. D. GHERARD MERMAN'S "BOATMAN'S DIALOGUES" (3rd S. ii. 229, 457.)-The author's name and the title of his book are given inaccurately; but suffi-logy were scarce, and controversy had not been worked up for railway editions. U. U. Club. No one who had seen both books could have supposed that one was the translation of the other. Les Entretiens des Voyageurs sur la Mer, à la Haye, 1740, 4 tom., 12mo, is readable now; and must have been pleasant when books of easy theo H. B. C. REV. BENJAMIN WAY (3rd S. ii. 343.)—As this gentleman was pastor of an Independent church in this city, from 1675-6 until his death in November, 1680, and I take a deep interest in all that relates to Bristol history, I am by no means satisfied with the remarks regarding him which have appeared in your columns; and would suggest to your correspondent that it is quite possible the All Hallows Barking does not refer at all to the Essex parish, but to one of the same name, "situated on the north and east sides of Tower Street and Seething Lane, in the ward of Tower Street," London. I would, therefore, request your correspondent to search among the ciently to show who and what are intended. "The Boatswain's Yarn" is, I think, a fair equivalent of Bootsmans-Praetje, which was written by Willem Meerman, son of Geeraert Meerman, the burgomaster and high bailiff (hooftschout) of Delft. All which I can find about William is, that he was a sailor: that he produced the work in question in 1612, and that he went out in search of the north-west passage, and did not return. I have not seen the first edition. The second has a preface and notes, by George van Zonhoven. Its title is Comœdia vetus of Bootsmans Praetje, Amsterdam, 1732. It also contains the second part, which appeared soon after the first: MalleWaegen zynde een vervolg en Verantwoording van de Comœdia vetus of Bootsmans-Praetje. Some of the Bootsman's Praetje may be under-records of the latter parish, and at once decide stood with the help of the notes: the MalleWaegen is nearly unintelligible. The editor says that Meerman intentionally obscured his meaning with sea-phraseology, and allusions to matters which, though generally known in his time, were forgotten in 1732. What was difficult to a Dutchman then, may be held impossible to an Englishman now. Zonhoven says, in the pre face: "De Schryver leefde in die droevige tyden, daer in de verschillen en twisten tussen de Remonstranten en contraremonstranten over de vyf bekende Artikelen dagelyks toenamen, en door heet gebakerde Geestelyken dermaten wierden opgewakkert, dat ze daernae tot hartzeer der vredelievenden in openbaere scheuringen en vervolgingen zyn uitgeborsten: Hy zag dit spel am, en vondt goedt het quaet der kerkelyke twisten, en hare heillooze gevolgen in geschrift openlyk ten toon te stellen zonder yemant te verschoonen; zeggende den Remonstranten, aen welker zyde hy meest scheen te hellen, so wel als den contraremonstranten het haere." the question; as I believe his name will be found to be associated with it, and that it was from thence he was ejected. It is also said that John Knowles was ejected from Bristol Cathedral in 1660, meaning perhaps 1662. Can any of your readers give me any account of this individual, as I believe there is no record of him in the archives of our local ecclesiastical corporation ? GEORGE PRYCE. ROMAN AND SAXON ANTIQUITIES (3rd S. ii. 491.)-To prevent the efflorescence and exfolia Meerman is especially intolerant towards the tion complained of, dry the object carefully, and Papists, and concludes his "yarn" with: "En bid, Verlost aus Heer van God-geleerden haet, D'ouwe bryg van den Paus tot Ziel en Land-verraet." To which the editor adds "Libera nos Domine ab odio theologico. Amen."A prayer which was much needed then, and is not wholly inappropriate now. In the Biographie Générale (tom. xxxiv. p. 711), the editor is called "Van den Hoven;" and he is said to have reprinted the Comedia Vetus at Amsterdam, 1718, 1732, 12mo. My copy is 8vo, 1732, then cover it with hot carpenter's glue laid on with a brush; not too thickly, but in sufficient quantity to leave a slight varnish after the first coat has been absorbed. This will consolidate the oxide, and prevent future flaking off. This plan, which is adopted by J. Y. Akerman, Esq., is better than the use of boiled linseed oil, employed by some collectors. Should any portion of an iron acus adhere to a bronze fibula, by all means preserve it, and treat the fragment as above. Temple. W. J. BERNHARD SMITH. HOLYROOD HOUSE (3rd S. ii.490.)-In "N. & Q." a reference is made to verses called "Holyrood House." Does the writer mean "Thoughts occasioned by the Funeral of the Earl and Countess of Sutherland at the Abbey of Holyrood House?" If so, I refer her to the Scots Magazine, and to Stenhouse, for the same. The lines I refer to were supposed to have been written by Sir Gilbert Elliot of Minto (third baronet): a man of true literary faculty, and a capital poet. He also wrote verses on the brave and pious Capt. Gardiner, who fell at Preston Pans, and a pastoral called "My sheep I've forsaken." Sir Gilbert, who died in 1777, was the father of the first Earl of Minto. Sir Gilbert Elliot, of Stobs, father of the gallant Lord Heathfield of Gibraltar fame, died in 1764. And if the latter Sir Gilbert was also a poet, I shall be glad to be informed by your correspondent. W. RIDDELL CARRE. 99 "IL FAUT VIVRE (3rd S. ii. 504.)—It strikes me that the "Il faut vivre" anecdote is much older than the time of Voltaire's going to live at Ferney. When Orator Henley was being examined before Lord Chesterfield, he pleaded the necessity of earning a livelihood; and was answered by Lord C. that he did not see the necessity. But the orator retorted: "That is a clever thing, my lord, but it has been said before." So that the anecdote must date from a yet earlier period than when Orator Henley was preaching in Clare Market. W. H. BAPTISM OF CHURCH BELLS: SHOCHTMADONY (3rd S. ii. 496.)-The bell called "Shochtmadony having been presented to the church of St. Mary, there can be no reason for questioning the accuracy of your correspondent's conclusion, that -madony stands for Madonna. To schog, or shog, is in Old English, "to shake from side to side;" and in Scotch, "to move backwards and forwards "Qu. To swing? The bell had probably impressed upon it an image of Our Lady, or, at any rate, her name. This would of course be swung backwards and forwards, in the swinging of the bell; and hence, I would submit, the name of "Schochtmadony," i. e. "The swung or swinging Madonna." VEDETTE. DR. JOHN ASKEW (3rd S. ii. 348, 514.) — I feel specially obliged to your correspondent INA for the full and authentic particulars contained in his communication, and I beg to say that I shall take the liberty of sending a few notes to his signature, to be left at Wells Post Office, as a mode of explaining the great wish I entertain of discovering the doctor's parentage: though such notes would be uninteresting to the general readers of "N. & Q." I would suggest the possibility of an error in calling John Askew D.D., upon the monument of a wife who died 1789, when, according to the "Dr. John Askew, Rector of North Cadbury, Somerset, to Miss Mary Sunderland, 2nd daughter of the late Thomas Sunderland, Esq., of Bigland Hall, Lancaster." She died 1805, and was buried at North Cadbury. INA seems to possess family papers which have fully confirmed all the information I have been collecting, with no other view than to settle a question of genealogy. I shall be glad to communicate to him the result of my future inquiries, should success attend the search I am making with.some expectation and hope. E. W. ITINERARY OF EDWARD I. AND II., ETC. (3rd S. i. 466.) - Referring to your number for June 14th, 1862, I see MR. KELLY of Leicester makes inquiry for the itineraries of Edward I. and II. stated by the late Mr. Joseph Hunter to have been made for the Record Commission. An itinerary of Edward II. compiled most carefully by the Rev. C. H. Hartshorne, M.A., has been printed by the British Archæological Association in vol. i of their Collectanea Archæologica published by Longman & Co., and the itinerary of Edward I by the same authority will appear in the forth coming vol. ii. of the same work. T. J. PETTIGREW. Onslow Crescent, Brompton. MOCK SUN (3rd S. ii. 505.) -The appear ance of a parhelion, or mock sun, mentioned b your correspondent, is not of unusual occurrence In former ages it was considered as a prodigy and many of your readers will recollect the ac count of the appearance of one before the battl of Mortimer's Cross in 1461. It is thus allude to by Shakspeare: "Three glorious suns, each one a perfect sun: "Whate'er it bodes, henceforward will I bear, Henry VI Mortimer's Cross is in the parish of Kingsla and county of Hereford, at no great distance fro the picturesque ruin of Wigmore Castle, once t NAME OF THE ROYAL FAMILY OF ENGLAND (3rd S. i. 258.)—I am really much obliged to MR. CLINTON for quoting a case which furnishes a very "notions." He says: opportune illustration of my "The family [of the Emperor of Austria] can only be the House of Austria, or of Lorraine Austria." MR. CLINTON has apparently forgotten that this family derives its name of Austria from females ! Was your correspondent ever distressed in his childhood by the puzzling fact, that Anne of Austria was the daughter of the King of Spain? When I was "juvenile and curly," this most absurd nomenclature once caused me some hours' fruitless hunting through pedigrees; and to this day, it appears to me a title calculated to mislead rather than conduct. If we pursue MR. CLINTON's theory, and apply it to other reigning houses, it will be found that the Emperor of Austria is not a Romanoff, for he descends from Peter the Great through that monarch's eldest daughter, Anna, Duchess of Holstein Gottorp. And the King of Portugal is not a member of the House of Bragança, but has founded a new House of Saxe-Coburg-a remark which conveys the idea that the elder House has become extinct. Plantagenet, Mortimer, and Tudor, are names which do not belong to the reigning House at all. The first is not a surname; the second was an assumed name; the last is that of an English princess who never came to the throne herself, and who married a foreign sovereign-entirely a different question, it appears to me, from the title of the children of an English sovereign who has married a foreign prince. HERMENTRUDE. ELDEST SONS Of Baronets and their KnightHOOD (3rd S. ii. 397.)- There are two articles in the Gentleman's Magazine for April and June, 1847; which may explain why knighthood was refused in 1836 to the applicant named. ALARIC. TOADS IN ROCKS (3rd S. i. 389, 478; ii. 55, 97.) Besides these words, it is customary to say there was a frog in the hole. A hole being found large enough to contain a frog or toad in the middle of a block of stone has always appeared to me to be the first curious half of the doubtful story; the second half, which I never believed, was finding the frog or toad in it. Could the statement have arisen thus? The hollow of the foot of a horse is called the "frog." The hollow or sinking, on one face of a brick, is, in some places in England, also called a frog." When a hole 66 or hollow was found in a stone, might not the country workman have said, "There's a frog in the stone"? Most probably the next person would declare, that" the stone had been cut and a frog found in the hole," and so on. Do the geologists Consider that it is probable that a hollow of the kind would be found in any apparently solid block of nature's make? WYATT PAPWORTH. MONUMENT IN WESTMINSTER ABBEY (3rd S. ii. 126, 173.)-The one in question, that of Lady Eliz. Russel pointing to her finger, is thus referred to in a description of the Abbey :— "Your guides say, that she died with a prick of her finger; but this story has no other foundation than a misapprehension of the statuary's design; for having represented her asleep, and pointing with her finger to a death's head under her right foot, it has been supposed, by the position of her finger pointing downwards, that it was bleeding, and that this had closed her eyes in death; though the artist's design seems rather to allude to the composed situation of her mind at the approach of death, which she considered only as a profound sleep, from which she was again to wake to a joyful resurrection, of which the motto under her feet is an evident illustration, Dormit, non mortua est: "She is not dead, but sleepeth." The Latin inscription on the scroll beneath, only tells that this monument was erected to her memory by her afflicted sister Anne."-London and its Environs described, 8vo, 1761, vol. i. p. 39. 66 I find also that Ackermann's History of the Abbey, published in 1812, refers to the story as an idle fancy." The left hand is stated by JAYDEE to be now broken away. Should not some compiler give us a work entitled "The Tales W. P. of my Guide"? WESTMINSTER HALL (2nd S. ix. 463, 513; x. 58.)- There has been great uncertainty as to the correct dimensions of this grand work of architecture. The dimensions, 239 feet long, 68 feet wide, and 90 feet high, to the ridge, as given, from Sir Charles Barry's measurements, in the second of the above references, are no doubt correct. Many years since, I read of a presumed order from William Rufus, directing the size that the hall was to be built. It was so peculiarly worded that I have always regretted not having made a note of it. The following extract coincides with what I remember of it: "The breadth of Westminster Hall is such as seems likely to have been determined by directions transmitted from a distance, and in rude times. This breadth is that which is still familiarly called in many parts of England acre breadth, that is, four perches or poles, of five yards and a half each, or twenty-two yards; acre length being forty such perches, or the measure we now call a furlong, a word abbreviated for forty long."-Communication to Mr. Smith, p. 259 of his Antiq. of Westminster, 4to, 1807. Calculating the first of these lengths, we shall find that the width of the hall is 4 poles or 66 feet (68 actually) wide, and 14 poles, or 238 feet 4 ins. (239 as above; yet Pugin gives the width as 238 feet, 8 ins.) These results are not very accurate, but we must remember that the walls have been repaired at various times. It is interesting to notice that three and-a-half times the width (viz. 68×31) gives 238, equal to the length. Are the dimensions of any other building noticeable for the probable use of the perch, as thus detailed? The length given by Sir C. Barry are of course exclusive of his addition at the southern end of the building. WYATT PAPWORTH. MINUTIUS FELIX (3rd S. ii. 445.) - Your correspondent has directed my attention to Minutius Felix, by his conjectural amendment of the text. The only edition I possess is printed at Leyden, 1672, and is, according to Watt, the best. The passage in the text quoted stands uberibus, and I am inclined to think it more likely to be the true reading than turribus. In a note on another passage of the Octavius a commentator thus expresses himself:-"Amat Minutius plures voces ejusdem significationis copulare." The easy transposition of the cognate letters b and v, and the similarity of u and would account for veribus, which I agree with your correspondent must be corrupt. THOMAS E. WINNINGTON. PEERAGE FORFEITED (3rd S. iii. 8.) George Nevill, created Duke of Bedford Jan. 5, 1469, being ruined by the death and attainder of his father, John Nevill, Marquess of Montagu, in 1471, and having therefore no means to support his dignity, was degraded by parliament in 1477. Robert Stafford, the heir of the illustrious House of Stafford, Dukes of Buckingham, was compelled to surrender the Barony of Stafford, "having no part of the inheritance of the said Lord Stafford (Henry, only son of the last Duke,) nor any other lands or means whatsoever." See Burke's Extinct Peerage. S. P. V. To "SPEAK BY THE CARD" (3rd S. ii. 503.) – In an interesting little book in my possession, published in 1797, The History and Antiquities of the Incorporated Town and Parishes of Gravesend and Milton, in the County of Kent, there is a list of the monumental inscriptions in Saint George's Church (or Chapel) in Gravesend, as they existed in 1727, extracted from Thorpe's Antiquities, to which book I have not the means of referring. The following may be worth notice in reference to the meaning of the "shipman's card," as it must have been written very near the date of the first appearance of Hamlet: "On the south wall, on a monument of black and white marble, are the effigies of a man, his wife, five sons, and five daughters, and these arms, viz., argent, a bear rampant, sable, armed and langued, and a canton gules. Crest, on a garb prostate, or, a cornish chough, proper. The inscription is on two compartments. On the first is only legible James Bere, 1609. On the second these verses: "After much wery sayling, worthie Bere, The trumpet sound, when all must rise with Bere. Does not "card" here evidently refer to the compass? The "shipman's card," in the Witch's speech in Macbeth, may be either a chart with the prevalent winds noted on it; or the card of the mariner's needle, which having all the points of the compass might be said to have every possible wind in it. I incline to the opinion that Hamlet does not refer to the "shipman's card" at all, but to one of those "cards or calendars of gentry," several of which were published in his time. Edgbaston. J. HENRY SHORTHOUSE. ORDER OF ST. JOHN OF JERUSALEM (3rd S. iii. 8.) This Order is now a part of the Order of Knights Templars, whose head quarters are at Freemasons' Hall, London. The Grand Master for England is William Stuart, Esq., and his deputy, Colonel G. A. Vernon. H. FISHWICK. HAZEL EYES (2nd S. xii. 270, 337; 3rd S. iii. 18.) MR. BUCKTON has dealt so pleasantly and conclusively with this subject (24 S. xii. 337), that I am somewhat diffident in giving an opinion that hazel may be derived from azul, Spanish and Portuguese, and mean blue after all. U. O. N. EXTRAORDINARY CHRISTMAS CAROL (3rd S. iii. 6.) It is curious, but true, that I was thinking of sending a scrap of a carol similar to the one contributed by A. A. I hesitated, on account of remembering only two verses, which I thought hardly worth sending. But as the subject has been so agreeably opened, I think. my two short verses may be acceptable, and their insertion will at least go to show that the carol, with variations, is known in other counties besides Kent. It was many years ago that I heard an old man in Staffordshire sing a Christmas Carol, of which I regret to be unable to repeat more than the first two verses, which ran thus: "As I sot on a Sunday bonk (sunny bank) "And who should be in these three ships, In these three ships, in these three ships, And who should be in these three ships, But Joseph and his Leady" (Lady). How these two holy persons could sail in three ships, the carol singer, of course, never thought of being called upon to explain. F. C. H. "A BRIEFE DESCRIPTION OF THE WHOLE WORLD" (3rd S. ii. 231.)-In the question put by LLALLAWG, and in the Editorial answer, mention is made of various editions; amongst others, the 5th edition of 1664, and the 9th edition of 1617. I have before me "The sixt edition," printed for John Marriott, 1624; and I cannot help remarking how queerly these editions run: the 9th was put forth in 1617; the 6th in 1624; and the 5th in 1664; apparently a crab-like method. The peculiarity, however, may be explained (I wish it would be) by some correspondent conversant with the practice of the old printers and publishers. I shall be glad to learn what rule obtained as to consecutive editions. SIGMA-TAU. Cape Town, S. Africa. "ST. GEORGE FOR ENGLAND " (3rd S. ii. 229.)— I remember reading, I fancy either in Fuller or Peter Heylin, an apology for the English cry of "St. George," on the ground that it was not an invocation of a saint; but an appeal to the "Tewpyòs," or, Great Husbandman. Can anyone tell me where it was? Was there not a question in "N. & Q." some time back, about Paul Scarron? I cannot find J. HENRY SHORTHOUSE. it.* PURKISS FAMILY (3rd S. iii. 8.)-There are persons of this name claiming such a descent; but during the lapse of so many centuries, and the humble condition of the family or families in question, together with the absence of documentary proof, such claims may afford subjects for speculation, but are generally, to use Macbeth's expression, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." The name itself is curious; and in such a time immemorial pork-loving locality, may have been common to numerous families in the same sphere of life. A portion of the original cart, in which were conveyed to Winchester the remains of Rufus, is said, only a few years since-during a severe winter-to have been used as fuel. Such heir-looms at best, however, are very questionable as we all know; and if we were to believe that so much attaches to a name, we might find many Richmonds in the field, besides numerous Lords Lovat, Earls Crawford, &c.- quite sufficient to swamp the humbler peerage of modern days! SPAL. If M. N. consults Sir B. Burke's third series of Vicissitudes, p. 8, he will see the following: "In a speech to a Hampshire audience, at the opening of a local railway, his lordship (Viscount Palmerston) observed, that there was a small estate in the New Forest, which had belonged to the lime-burner, Purkis, who picked up the body of Rufus, and carried the royal corpse in his humble cart to Winchester, and which had come down through an uninterrupted male line of ancestry, to a worthy yeoman of the same name, now resident on the exact same farm, near Stoney Cross, on the Ringwood Road, eight miles from Romsey." Miscellaneous. SID. YOUNG. NOTES ON BOOKS, ETC. A Dictionary of Dates, relating to all Ages and Nations, for Universal Reference; comprehending Remarkable Occurrences, Ancient and Modern, &c. By Joseph Haydn. Eleventh Edition, revised and greatly enlarged by Benjamin. Vincent. (Moxon & Co.) He must be a most exacting critic who, with respect to a book like this now before us, containing as it does some thousands of names and dates, and professing to furnish information upon all questions which can arise touching the civil, political, military, or religious history, the laws, government, arts and sciences of the world generally-but of the British Empire more particularly— should expect that it would |