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spected the Rhemish notes? You shall in Cork, which, when examined, proves hear."

10 be a reprint of the identical Bible This Committee was appointed, and published in 1816 in Dublin; and here Mr. O'Connell was made Chairman. are the names of the bishops. · PatronFrom day to day, from week to week, a ized by his Grace the Most Rev. Dr. report denouncing the Roman edition of O'Reilly, the Most Rev. Dr. Troy, the the Bible was promised through the jour- Most Rev. Dr. Murray.' Here they are, nal which was the organ of the Roman with all their tiiles, with their associates in Catholic party. It did not notice its ap- the work: the same list as before. This pearance; and at length, when expectation Bible was actually in the press, in the begin to weary, information was given month of October, 1817, under his own that the board, with its committee, was patronage, while Dr. 'Troy was abjuring extinct-dissolved!The question was it in the public prints, and Mr. O'Connell at ihat time of the greatest importance to was going through this mock denunciaMr. O'Connell, who doubtless had and tion at the board! This is the cover of has the welfare of his country at his the Bible of 1818; here are the same heart; and he was probably anxious for names upon the cover of that of 1816. the disavowal of the obnoxious notes, as But this advertisement, on this cover of much for the credit of his religion as for 1818, is dated 1813. How are we to the political interests of his constituents. prove that the names of those who patronWhy were not the notes denounced ? ized the first Bible in the list on this Why were the Roman board and com- cover are not copied from the old advermittee dissolved? Why did the states- tisement, and put down as patrons on man do nothing? Hear Mr. M'Ghee :- this cover? The proof is here on the

“I answer, the reason was, BECAUSE covers themselves. Dr. Murphy, who HIS BISHOPS WOULD NOT PERMIT HIM. At was one of the patrons, was Archdeacon the very time when Dr. Troy was pub- of Cork, and is so put down in this list lishing his disclaimer, in October, 1817, of 1813. The writ of bankruptcy issued and when Mr. O'Connell was denouncing against Macnamara in December, 1814; the Rhemish notes in the Catholic board, so he had no more to do with this edition. the Bible was, with these very notes, But this same Dr. Murphy became Bishop actually in the press, under sanction of of Cork in 1815, and we have his name Drs. O'Reilly, Troy, Murray, and nine put down as Bishop of Cork in this list; other Roman Catholic bishops, in the and the Bible was printed in his own diocity of Cork. Here is the advertisement; cese, his own city. Now, an answer has and who would have imagined that this been attempted to this. It has been said was the same Bible :

that the Bible of 1818 was a mere trick “A new and superb and elegant edition of of the booksellers: that Mr. Cumming, the Catholic Bible, now publishing in num

afier Macnamara's bankruptcy, had combers and parts, by J. A. Macnamara, Cork, pleted some copies of them to cover his under the patronage of his Grace the Most Rev. Dr. O'Reilly, Roman Catholic Lord Pri- by Macnamara without the bishops' con

own loss: that it was printed or edited mate of all Ireland; his Grace the Most Rev. Dr. 'Troy, Roman Catholic Archbishop of sent, and is not a new but the old edition. Dublin; his Grace the Most Rev. Dr. Murray, - What is the reply to that? The best Coadjutor Archbishop of Dublin, and Presi- reply to all argument—the matter of fact, dent of the Royal College of Maynooth; the that these are not the same editions, but Roman Catholic Bishops of Cork, Waterford,

different editions. And as I know that Ferns, &c. &c., containing the whole of the books in the Sacred Scriptures, explained or

any statement of mine would be received illustrated with notes or annotations according on this subject, and justly so, with doubt, to the interpretation of the Roman Catholic I have taken the liberty of requesting, Church, which is our infallible and unerring since I returned to London, some profesguide in studying the Holy Scriptures, and sional gentlemen to inspect the copies, bringing men to salvation.'

and pronounce whether they are of the Under this title, as an infallible inter- same or different editions ; and when this pretation of Scripture, is a Bible published certificate shall have been read, no person





in this hall will entertain any doubt upon asked whether they should call down fire the subject

from heaven upon them, he turned and ".We whose names are hereunto subscribed, said, • Ye know not what manner of spirit having been requested to examine copies of

ve are of. And here is the note on our a quarto Bible-one stated in the title-page 10 Lord's rebuke:be printed and published by Richard Coyne, Dublin, A. D. 1816--the other stated in the

* * Ver. 55. (He rebuked them.] Not justitle-page to be by James Macnamara, printed tice, nor all rigorous punishment of sinners,

is here forbidden, nor Elias's act reprefor the proprietor, Cork, A. D. 1818, and to give it as our opinion whether those copies

hended, nor the Church or Christian princes are the same edition-do give it as our decided blamed for putting heretics to death; but that

none of these should be done for desire of our opinion that they are different editions. With. out any other proofs it is only necessary to

particular revenge, or without discretion, and state, that in the edition of 1816, the number regard of their amendment, and example to of pages in the Old Testament is 927, while in

others. Therefore St. Peter used his power that of 1818 it is 928. In the edition of 1816, upon Ananias and Sapphira, when he struck the number of pages in the New Testament is

them both down to death for defrauding the 424; while in that of 1818 it is 436.

Church.' (Signed) • Thomas HATCHARD, “ The next is a nute upon Luke xiv. • Wm. SrrakER,

* James NISBET,

* • Ver. 23. [Compel them.] The vehement • Francis Rivingtox. persuasion that God useih, both externally by • London, July 12, 1836.'”

force of his word and miracles, and internally

by his grace, to bring us unto him, is called We cannot follow Mr. M'Ghee through compelling; not that he forceth any to come all bis demonstration that this Bible was

to him against their own wills, but that he can approved by the Romanists of Ireland, willing that before would not. St. Augustin

alter and mollify a hard heart, and make him and printed and reprinted with the sanc- also referreth this compelling to the penal laws tion of the Romish prelates, until the which Catholic princes do justly use against attention of Protestants was directed to it, heretics and schismatics, proving that they who and it became necessary to disavow it to

are by their former profession in baptism subject

to the Catholic Church, and are departed from secure a political end in the Parliament.

the sume after sects, may and ought to be compelled The more important portion of the sub- into the unity and society of the Universal Church ject is the actual nature of the notes again. And therefore in this sense, by the two themselves, which the Roman Church former parts of the parable, the Jews first, and authorizes to be appended to such edi- secondly the Gentiles, that never believed be

fore in Christ, were invited by fair sweet tions of the Scriptures in the vulgar

means only; but by the third, such are invited tongues as it permits to be read by the as the Church of God hath power over, becommon people. After establishing the cause they promised in baptism, and therefore authenticity of the copy which he held are to be revoked not only by gentle means, in his hands, Mr. M'Ghee proceeded to

but by just punishment also.' read from it as follows:

“ The next passage to which I would " The first text I shall read is a note call your attention, is a note on Acts xxv. on Mail. xiii. 29, 30:

11, in which St. Paul appeals to Cæsar:** [Lest, perhaps.] The good must tolerate * Chap. xxv. 11. If St. Paul, both to save the evil, when it is so strong that it cannot be himself from whipping and from death sought redressed without danger and disturbance of by the Jews, doubted not to claim succour the whole Church, and commit the matter to from the Roman laws, and to appeal to Cæsar God's judgment in the latter day; otherwise, the Prince of the Romans, not yet christened, Where'ill inen, be they heretics or other male- 'how much more may we call for aid of Christian factors, may be punished or suppressed without princes and their laws, for the punishment of disturbance and hazard of the good, they may heretics, and for the Church's defence against and ought by public authority, either spiritual them? (St. Aug. 50.)' or temporal, to be chastised or executed.'

“ The next is a note on Timothy iii. 9. “ The next comment is on Luke ix. 55. That is the passage in which, when our have some show of truth; God, for just punish

“ «All heretics, in the beginning, seem to Saviour had been refused assistance by ment of men's lives, permitting them for some the Samaritans, and James and John time in some persons and places to prevail;



but in a short time God detecteth them, and participation or agreement-no consent beopeneth the eyes of men to see their deceits; tween light and darkness, Christ and Belialinsomuch that after the first brunt, they are the temple of God, and the temple of idolsmaintained only by force, all wise men in a all service, as pretended worship of God set up by manner seeing their falsehood, though for fear heretics or schisnatics, being nothing else but of troubling the state of such commonwealths, service of Belial, and plain idolatry, and their where unluckily they have been received, they conventicles nothing but conspirations against cannot be so suddenly extirpated.'

Christ. From such, therefore, especially we “ There are two more texts to which I mind, and touching any act of religion, in body

must separate ourselves always in heart and wish to refer; the first is Rev. ii. 20. •I also; according as the children of Israel were have a few things against thee, because commanded by God to separate themselves thou sufferest that woman, Jezebel,' &c. from the schismatics, Korah, Dathan, and The note is

Abiram, and their tabernacles by these words,

Depart from the tabernacles of the impious “Rev. ii. 20. He wurneth bishops to be

men, and touch ye not those things which apzealous und stout against false prophets and here- perlain to them, lest ye be entrapped in their tics of what sort soever, by alluding covertly to the example of holy Elias, that in zeal killed four hundred and fifty fulse prophets of Jezebel, “ Does Dens say that heretics are to be and spared not Ahab nor Jezebel themselves,

excommunicated? What says this Bible? but told them to their faces that they troubled Israel, that is, the faithful people of God.' “ Cor. Ist Epistle, 5th chap. and 5th verse. “ The remaining passage is Rev. xii.

[To Satan.] To assure us that all excommu

nicated persons are in the power and pos. 6, on which the note ism

session of the devil, and quite out of Christ's “. Rev. xvii. 6. (Drunk with the blood.]-It protection, as soon as they are separated by is plain that this woman signifieih the whole the Church's sentence from her body, and the body of all the persecutors that have, and shall, sacrament and fellowship of Christian Cathoshed so much blood of the just, of the prophets, lic men, it pleases God to give power to the apostles, and other martyrs, from the beginning Apostles and prelotes of the primitive Church, to of the world to the end. The Protestants cause the devil straight upon their sentence of exfoolishly expound it of Rome, for that there they communication to invade the body of the excomput heretics to death, and allow of their punish- municated, and to torment him corporeally. So ment in other countries; but their blood is not Christ excommunicated Judas, and the devil called the blood of saints, no more than the blood entered into him, and he went forth from the of thieves, man-killers, and other malefactors, for happy fellowship of the apostles. (John xui. the shedding of which, by order of justice, no 27.) So this apostle excommunicated Alexe commonwealth shall answer.'

ander and Hymenæus, and Satan straight took

them. (1 Timothy i.) Yea, it is thought that After reading these passages, Mr. M'- St. Peter excommunicated Ananias and SapGhee stated that he did so because in

phira, and for sign of his power and terror of many copies the leaves, containing them the sentence, struck them boih dead. (De originally, had been canceled, and others, Mirabil. S. Scripturæ, li. 3, c. 16; Apud. S. which did not embrace them, inserted so

Augustin.) Which miraculous power, though

it be not joined now to that sentence, yet, as carefully as to seem a portion of the far as concerneth the spiritual punishment actual edition. But the notes which were which it especially apperiaineih to, it is as beretained, were of a similar character. fore, and is, by the judgment of the holy docDoes Dens tell us that the Protestant tors (St. Cyprian, ep. 26, nu. 3. St. Chrysosworship is not to be tolerated? What tom, in 1 Tim. i. ho. 5. St. Ambrose, in i

Tim. i. St. Hierom, ep. ad Heliod., c. 7. says the Roman Catholic Church in its Augustin De Cor. and Gra.c. 15), the terriblest authorized notes to the Bible ? Mr. M’ and grentest punishment in the world, eren far Ghee proceeded to read the following passing all earthly pain and turnient of this life, additional notes, found in all copies:

and being a very resemblance of damnation, and

so often called by the fathers, namely, by St. "2 Cor. vii. 14. (What fellowship?) Gene Augustin,-—"And by this spiritual sword," saith rally here is forbidden conversation and deal St. Cyprian, "all must die in their souls that ings with all infidels, and consequently with obey not the priests of Christ in the new law, as heretics; but especially in prayers, or meeting they that were disobedient to the judges in the old at their schismatical service, preaching, and law, were slain with a corporeul sword. Would other divine office whatsoever, which the to God, the world knew of the marvellous pun. apostle here uttereth in more particular terms, ishment Christ hath appointed the priests to exethat Christian folks may take the better heed cute upon the offenders of his laws, and especially of it. No society, saith he, or fellowship-no upon the disobedient, as heretics, namely."





“ Does Dens assert that we are not the other Bibles, it is true; but there is a to be left with liberty of conscience ? note in this book, retained in all Roman What say the Rhemish notes ?

Catholic Bibles (on Deut. xvii. 8), which “* St. James, i. 25. [The law of liberty.)

I will read :The law of the Gospel, and grace of Christ, is called the law of liberty in respect of the yoke

“ Deuteronomy xvii. 8. [If thou perceive, and burden of the old carnal ceremonies, and

&c.] Here we see what authority God was because Christ bath, by his blood of the New pleased to give to the Church-guides of the Old Testament, delivered all that obey him from

Testament, in deciding without appeal all conthe servitude of sins and the devil. But not

troversies relating to the law, promising that as the libertines and other heretics of this time

they should not err therein, and punishing with would have it--that in the New Testament every

death such as proudly refused to obey their man moy follow his own liking and conscience,

decisions, and surely he has not done less for the and may choose whether he will be under the laws

Church-guides of the New Testament.' and obedience of spiritual ur temporal rulers or not.'

“ This, I repeat, is the Bible which “Does Dens assert that heretics are to

Dr. Troy himself acknowledges he autho

rized. But it may be there is only this be punished with death when .con

one verse in it (i. e. the Douay). What venient?' You have heard some notes

more do I want? I want not a tyrant to upon this subject. There is another, on

write a volume to tell me that my liberty Cor. x. 26.

and life are in his power—a single sen* *2 Cor. x. 6. (To revenge.) You may see ience, a hint is quite enough. One note, hereby, that the spiritual power of bishops is that lays it down that he has a right to not only preaching the Gospel, and so by per. put me to death, is as bad as a thousand suasion and exhortation only (as some heretics hold) to remit or retain sins, but that it hath au

volumes. I have brought here another thority to punish, judge, and condemn heretics Bible, edited at Manchester, to show that and other like rebels; which power one of the

the Roman Catholic Church in England, principal rebels (Calvin) of this time, being in Ireland, and all over the world, is the convicted by the evidence of the place, ac

same-that it preserves everywhere this knowledgech to be grounded upon Christ's word. Whosoever you shall bind on earth, unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.' shall be bound in heaven.” (Matt. xviii. 18.) And here is the same note exactly. [Here Apply also the words spoken to Jer. i. 10 Mr. M. read the same note on Deut. from Behold, I appoint thee over nations and king the Manchester edition.] This is an doms, that thou plant, pluck up, build, and de- edition • published in Manchester, 1813, stroy;" to confirm and explain the power by Oswald Syers, of Market-street.' Apostolic here alleged by St. Paul. Nay, they would gladly draw this power from the lawful Now Dr. Murray was examined before successors of the apostles to themselves--their the House of Commons upon the note, ministers and consistories--which are nothing and he said that really these notes to the else brut the shops and councils of sedition, and all Rhemish Bible had been gradually softthe conspirations of this time against the lawful ened down. But I never understood princes of the world!

what he meant by 'gradually sostened "It is unnecessary for me to take up down,' unul I inspected his Rhemish your time by reading any further notes. Bible. The word gradually,' I think, But I beg to observe, that through the implies a succession of different things. Bibles of the Roman Catholic Church, You can hardly say that the notes of one the same power of life and death is as- Bible are “gradually softened down' into serted to be lodged in the bishops over another. Yet this is the Bible of 1816, heretics. You have heard the statement or 1818, published in Ireland, about of Dr. Troy. You have heard him stale which he was examined; and here is the that he only authorized the Bible printed Bible of 1825, stereotyped by the Romish in 1791. Here is that Bible-the Bible, prelates themselves in Dublin; and Dr. recollect, which Dr. Troy acknowledges Murray, when examined upon the subhe authorized. What are the notes of ject, says, that in the last edition of the this upon the subject? They are not Bible there is no such note to be found, like the obnoxious notes contained in meaning the stereotyped edition of 1825.


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Here is that edition, and the note is to be proved of and published by the Pope, and found in it, with this one exception:-in assented to by all the bishops in communion

with the see of Rome, without a single dis. one part of the note, which seems to give sentient, so that it may be considered as an a salvo for his assertion that the note is epitome of Catholic doctrine and belief.' not to be found in it he has left out the

“Here is the authority of Dr. Doyle, words punishing with death, such as

and we could have none higher, for the proudly refuse to obey their decisions. perfect standard of the Catechism of the But leaving out these words does not

Council of Trent.' The Roman Cathosignify any thing to the main assertion lic clergy have sworn in their creed to of the passage, viz., that the same power observe to the latest hour of their lives given to the priesis under the old law, is all the decrees and decisions of the given 10 the priests under the new law. Council of Trent, so that we have here I refer to the text for the purpose of an acknowledged authority. And what showing the argument, that because God, is the language of this catechism upon when he was pleased to establish a the the subject? We have this passage on ocracy, and to make the priests in some degree the rulers of the land, was pleased Church,' in answer

the article in the creed, 'the Holy Catholic

to the question, to give them a power of life and death; *Who are excluded from the Church?' that, therefore, it is said in that note, although the words *punishing with

“ • Heretics truly, and schismatics, because death' are left out, therefore the same

they have been cut off from the Church, nor

do they belong any more to the Church than power is retained by the priests of the deserters belong to the army from which they new law, so that they have the authority have deserted. It is not to be denied, how. of the text for this purpose. Here is a ever, but if they are in the power of the Church, Bible printed in 1833, the last edition, in that they be called by her into judgment, punishwhich the very same words occur. Here ed, and being anathematized, condemned. is a copy printed in Glasgow, in which • This is the doctrine of the great too the same words are to be found, in Council of Trent, which all are sworn which a power of life and death is lodged 10 obey; and yet we are told that such in the hands of the bishops of the church doctrines now, forsooth, are obsolete, of Rome—a power as certain as the and that no man can think of entertainpower which a judge possesses over the ing them. The only thing which we life and death of a criminal.

have to determine is a matter of fact-it “Let me adduce another unanswerable is a question of fact. Was this book document on this point. When Doctors published in 1818, under the sanction of Murray and Doyle were examined before the authorities stated in it, or was it not? the committees of Parliament, they were If that question of fact be not established asked what were the standard books of then, there never was a fact established, their church. They gave different an

This book, that has been privately circuswers; both, however, agreed that one was lated by proper persons,' appointed in the Catechism of the Council of Trent.' every town of Ireland, “among subNow

I will read to you a passage from scribers only'-his book that has been Dr. Doyle's letter to Lord Liverpool thus circulated—are the doctrines it con. upon this catechism. He says:

tains the doctrines of Dens, or are they

not? It was said that Dens' opinions « «This catechism, as I once before had the against heretics—this was Mr. Stanley's honour of mentioning to your Jordship, is a most authentic exposition of our faith, inas

defence for Mr. Murray-were confined much as it embodies and explains, not only 10 two or three pages; the principles of the doctrinal decisions of that council, but this Bible against heretics are to be found also the several articles of the creed com

in every page. Let me read part of an monly called the Apostles' Creed; the com- index to these notes of the Rhemish mandments of the decalogue (the precepts of Bible, just published—let me read to you your church), the mass, and the sacraments, as they are received and understood by all a passage from the index under the head Catholics. This catechism has also been ap- of Heretics.'

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